John,

Its a twm (or at least an XDarwin rootless) thing.

I'm assuming that you are running XDarwin rootless? otherwise I'm talking out of my 
proverbial. Basically, when you launch an X application and you're using twm, the 
window should intially appear as an outline tied to the position of the cursor. As you 
move the cursor, the window outline moves so you can position the window where you 
want. When you click the mouse (left button), the window appears fully formed at that 
location. Unfortunately running XDarwin rootless trips up this behaviour on 2 counts. 
Firstly, the window outlines are not drawn at all. The only clue you get that 
something is happening is that the cursor changes to an inverted 'L' shape. This shows 
where the top left of the window will appear when you clear. While this is happening, 
XDarwin helpfully draws a 'button' representing the iconised application in the top 
left corner of your screen(s).Secondly, clicking on the (Mac OS X) desktop, or any non 
XDarwin window shifts focus away from XDarwin (and hence the application you have just 
launched) . You then need to go back to XDarwin and click on the button icon to get 
the window to open up.

The only way to get the window to draw immediately after launch is to make sure that 
you click the mouse somewhere over another XDarwin window, rather than over a window 
from a different application or over the desktop (or run in full screen mode).

Incidentally, the lack of window outlines also becomes apparent when moving or 
resizing windows under rootless setup. Try running under full screen to see the 
difference.

If anyone has recommendations for window managers that provide good rootless 
behaviour, I'd love to hear from them.

Later,

Andy

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Gnaegy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 28 August 2002 02:59
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Fink-beginners] windows appear initially as buttons?
> 
> 
> 
> I installed fink, selfupdated it using CVS, and got gimp 
> installed.  I'm 
> using TWM.  Gimp runs and works fine, but the weird thing is that any 
> new window initially appears as a button, a small rectangle 
> showing only 
> the window title.  Clicking on the button open the window to 
> normal size 
> and behavior.
> 
> Is this normal?  Is this default TWM behavior, or some preference 
> setting in gimp?  If it's a preference how could I change it? 
>  If it's 
> specific to TWM I can just install another window manager.
> 
> 
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