Unlike in GNOME1, in GNOME2 "gnome-session" doesn't start a window manager
automatically.  I'd suggest using metacity, since that's the "standard" WM
for GNOME2, i.e. have the following in your .xinitrc:

exec metacity &
exec gnome-session

I'm not sure about the sawfish issue:  you might try installing the later
version.

Alexander K. Hansen
Levitated Dipole Experiment
http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francis
Maier
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:05 PM
To: Alexander K. Hansen
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Fink-beginners] More Gnome/XDarwin problems

Alexander,

Here's my fink list -i.  Thanks for any advice.

Fran


Last login: Thu Jun 26 20:58:17 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
[Francis-X-Maiers-Computer:~] franx% fink list -i
Information about 2645 packages read in 3 seconds.

 i   aalib            1.4rc5-2     Ascii art library
 i   aalib-bin        1.4rc5-2     Ascii art library
 i   aalib-shlibs     1.4rc5-2     Ascii art library
 i   abiword          1.0.3-2      Open-source word processor
 i   apt              0.5.4-11     Advanced front-end for dpkg
 i   apt-shlibs       0.5.4-11     Advanced front-end for dpkg
 i   atk1             1.2.2-2      Accessability Toolkit
 i   atk1-shlibs      1.2.2-2      Accessability Toolkit
 i   audiofile        0.2.3-4      Audio File Library
 i   audiofile-bin    0.2.3-4      Audio File Library
 i   audiofile-shlib  0.2.3-4      Audio File Library
 i   base-files       1.8.0-1      Directory infrastructure
 i   bluefish         0.9-2        Web-oriented text editor
 i   bonobo-activati  1.0.3-2      Bonobo object activation framework
for GNOME
 i   bonobo-activati  1.0.3-2      Bonobo object activation framework
for GNOME
 i   bonobo-activati  1.0.3-2      Bonobo object activation framework
for GNOME
 i   bundle-gnome     2.0.3-2      GNOME convenience package
 i   bzip2            1.0.2-1      Block-sorting file compressor
 i   cctools          446-1        [virtual package representing the
develop...
 i   control-center   2.0.3-2      The Gnome control center
 i   control-center-  1.4.0.5-6    GNOME Control Center
 i   control-center2  2.0.3-2      The Gnome control center
 i   darwin           6.6-1        [virtual package representing the
kernel]
 i   db3-shlibs       3.3.11-13    Shared Libraries for db3
 i   db4              4.0.14-12    Berkeley DB embedded database
 i   db4-shlibs       4.0.14-12    Shared Libraries for db4
 i   debianutils      1.23-1       Misc. utilities specific to Debian
(and F...
(i)  dillo            0.7.1.2-1    Small simple web browser
 i   dlcompat         20030522-1   Dynamic loading compatibility library
 i   dlcompat-dev     20030522-1   headers and static libraries for
dlcompat
 i   dlcompat-shlibs  20030522-1   shared libraries for dlcompat
 i   docbook-dsssl-n  1.77-1       Norman Walsh's DSSSL DocBook
stylesheets
 i   docbook-dtd      4.2.0-1      DocBook SGML/XML DTDs official
releases
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 i   eog              1.0.4-3      Eye Of Gnome
(i)  esound           0.2.29-1     Enlightened Sound Daemon
(i)  esound-bin       0.2.29-1     Enlightened Sound Daemon
 i   esound-common    0.2.28-1     Enlightened Sound Daemon
(i)  esound-shlibs    0.2.29-1     Enlightened Sound Daemon
 i   expat            1.95.6-2     C library for parsing XML
 i   expat-shlibs     1.95.6-2     C library for parsing XML
(i)  fink             0.13.3-1     The Fink package manager
 i   freetype2        2.1.3-1      TrueType font rendering library,
version 2
 i   freetype2-shlib  2.1.3-1      TrueType font rendering library,
version ...
 i   gail17           0.17-2       The GNOME Accessibility
Implementation Li...
 i   gail17-dev       0.17-2       The GNOME Accessibility
Implementation Li...
 i   gail17-shlibs    0.17-2       The GNOME Accessibility
Implementation Li...
 i   gconf            1.0.9-1      Configuration database system
 i   gconf-editor     0.3.1-1      Editor for the GConf configuration
system
 i   gconf-shlibs     1.0.9-1      Configuration database system
 i   gconf2           1.2.1-2      Gnome Config System
 i   gconf2-dev       1.2.1-2      Gnome Config System
 i   gconf2-shlibs    1.2.1-2      Gnome Config System
 i   gdbm             1.8.0-7      GNU dbm library
 i   gdbm-shlibs      1.8.0-7      Shared libraries for gdbm package
 i   gdk-pixbuf-shli  0.18.0-2     Image loading and manipulation
library
 i   gedit            2.0.6-2      Small and lightweight text editor for
the...
 i   gettext          0.10.40-4    Message localization support
 i   giflib-bin       4.1.0-7      GIF image format handling library,
LZW-en...
 i   giflib-shlibs    4.1.0-7      GIF image format handling library,
LZW-en...
 i   gimp             1.2.4-1      The GNU Image Manipulation Program
 i   gimp-shlibs      1.2.4-1      The GNU Image Manipulation Program
 i   glib             1.2.10-8     Common C routines used by Gtk+ and
other ...
 i   glib-shlibs      1.2.10-8     Common C routines used by Gtk+ and
other ...
 i   glib2            2.2.1-3      Handy library of utility functions
 i   glib2-dev        2.2.1-3      Handy library of utility functions
 i   glib2-shlibs     2.2.1-3      Handy library of utility functions
 i   gmp              4.1.2-1      GNU multiple precision arithmetic
library
 i   gmp-shlibs       4.1.2-1      Shared libraries for gmp package
 i   gnome-applets    2.0.4-3      The Gnome Applets
 i   gnome-core       2.0.3-3      GNOME convenience package
 i   gnome-desktop    2.0.10-4     The Gnome desktop
 i   gnome-desktop-d  2.0.10-4     The Gnome desktop
 i   gnome-desktop-s  2.0.10-4     The Gnome desktop
 i   gnome-games      2.0.6-2      The Gnome Games
 i   gnome-games-shl  2.0.6-2      The Gnome Games
 i   gnome-libs       1.4.2-5      Base libraries for GNOME
 i   gnome-libs-shli  1.4.2-5      Base libraries for GNOME
 i   gnome-mime-data  2.0.1-2      The GNOME MIME database
 i   gnome-panel      2.0.11-5     The Gnome panel
 i   gnome-panel-dev  2.0.11-5     The Gnome panel
 i   gnome-panel-shl  2.0.11-5     The Gnome panel
 i   gnome-session    2.0.9-6      The Gnome session
 i   gnome-system-mo  2.0.3-2      Simple process monitor
 i   gnome-terminal   2.0.2-4      The Gnome Terminal
 i   gnome-user-docs  2.0.1-2      General GNOME User Documentation
 i   gnome-utils      2.0.6-2      The Gnome Utilities
 i   gnome-vfs        1.0.5-8      The GNOME virtual file-system
libraries
 i   gnome-vfs-shlib  1.0.5-8      The GNOME virtual file-system
libraries
 i   gnome-vfs2       2.0.4.1-1    The GNOME virtual file-system
libraries
 i   gnome-vfs2-dev   2.0.4.1-1    The GNOME virtual file-system
libraries
 i   gnome-vfs2-shli  2.0.4.1-1    The GNOME virtual file-system
libraries
(i)  gtk+             1.2.10-15    The Gimp Toolkit
(i)  gtk+-data        1.2.10-15    The Gimp Toolkit
(i)  gtk+-shlibs      1.2.10-15    The Gimp Toolkit
(i)  gtk+2            2.2.1-5      The Gimp Toolkit
(i)  gtk+2-dev        2.2.1-5      The Gimp Toolkit
(i)  gtk+2-shlibs     2.2.1-5      The Gimp Toolkit
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(i)  guile            1.4-7        Embedable Scheme interpreter
 i   guile-dev        1.4-7        Embedable Scheme interpreter
 i   guile-shlibs     1.4-7        Embedable Scheme interpreter
 i   gzip             1.2.4a-6     The gzip file compressor
 i   imlib-shlibs     1.9.14-3     Image handling library for X11 and
Gtk
 i   intltool         0.23-1       Internationalize various kinds of
data files
 i   libart2          2.3.10-2     Library for high-performance 2D
graphics
 i   libart2-shlibs   2.3.10-2     Library for high-performance 2D
graphics
 i   libbonobo2       2.0.0-2      GNOME component and compound document
system
 i   libbonobo2-dev   2.0.0-2      GNOME component and compound document
system
 i   libbonobo2-shli  2.0.0-2      GNOME component and compound document
system
 i   libbonoboui2     2.0.3-3      The Bonobo Compound Document
Interfaces
 i   libbonoboui2-de  2.0.3-3      The Bonobo Compound Document
Interfaces
 i   libbonoboui2-sh  2.0.3-3      The Bonobo Compound Document
Interfaces
 i   libglade-shlibs  0.17-3       Library to load .glade files at
runtime
 i   libglade2        2.0.1-2      Library to load .glade files at
runtime
 i   libglade2-shlib  2.0.1-2      Library to load .glade files at
runtime
 i   libgnome2        2.0.6-2      The GNOME 2 library
 i   libgnome2-dev    2.0.6-2      The GNOME 2 library
 i   libgnome2-shlib  2.0.6-2      The GNOME 2 library
 i   libgnomecanvas2  2.0.5-2      The GNOME 2 canvas library
 i   libgnomecanvas2  2.0.5-2      The GNOME 2 canvas library
 i   libgnomecanvas2  2.0.5-2      The GNOME 2 canvas library
 i   libgnomeprint2   1.116.0-2    The GNOME printing library
 i   libgnomeprint2-  1.116.0-2    The GNOME printing library
 i   libgnomeprint2-  1.116.0-2    The GNOME printing library
 i   libgnomeprintui  1.116.0-2    The GNOME printing library
 i   libgnomeprintui  1.116.0-2    The GNOME printing library
 i   libgnomeprintui  1.116.0-2    The GNOME printing library
 i   libgnomeui2      2.0.6-3      The GNOME 2 UI Library
 i   libgnomeui2-dev  2.0.6-3      The GNOME 2 UI Library
 i   libgnomeui2-shl  2.0.6-3      The GNOME 2 UI Library
 i   libgtkhtml2      2.0.3-1      HTML rendering/printing/editing
engine
 i   libgtkhtml2-shl  2.0.3-1      HTML rendering/printing/editing
engine
 i   libgtop2         2.0.0-2      System monitoring library
 i   libgtop2-dev     2.0.0-2      System monitoring library
 i   libgtop2-shlibs  2.0.0-2      System monitoring library
 i   libiconv         1.7-6        Character set conversion library
 i   libidl2          0.8.0-2      IDL parsing library
 i   libidl2-shlibs   0.8.0-2      IDL parsing library
 i   libjpeg          6b-6         JPEG image format handling library
 i   libjpeg-bin      6b-6         Executables for libjpeg package
 i   libjpeg-shlibs   6b-6         Shared libraries for libjpeg package
 i   libmpeg-shlibs   1.3.1-6      Gimp MPEG library
 i   libpng3          1.2.5-4      PNG image format handling library
 i   libpng3-shlibs   1.2.5-4      Shared libraries for libpng3 package
 i   libpoll          1.4-1        SysV poll(2) Emulation Library
 i   libpoll-shlibs   1.4-1        SysV poll(2) Emulation Library
 i   librep           0.14-8       Embedable interpreter for a Lisp
dialect
 i   librep-shlibs    0.14-8       Embedable interpreter for a Lisp
dialect
 i   librsvg2         2.0.1-2      SAX-based render library for SVG
files
 i   librsvg2-shlibs  2.0.1-2      SAX-based render library for SVG
files
 i   libtiff-bin      3.5.7-7      Executables for libtiff package
 i   libtiff-shlibs   3.5.7-7      Shared libraries for libtiff package
 i   libwnck1         0.18-1       Window Navigator Construction Kit
library
 i   libwnck1-shlibs  0.18-1       Window Navigator Construction Kit
library
(i)  libxml           1.8.17-3     XML parsing library
(i)  libxml-shlibs    1.8.17-3     XML parsing library
 i   libxml2          2.5.6-2      XML parsing library, version 2
 i   libxml2-bin      2.5.6-2      XML parsing library, version 2
 i   libxml2-shlibs   2.5.6-2      XML parsing library, version 2
 i   libxslt          1.0.30-1     XML stylesheet transformation library
 i   libxslt-shlibs   1.0.30-1     XML stylsheet transformation shared
libra...
 i   libzvt2          2.0.1-4      Zed's Virtual Terminal
 i   libzvt2-dev      2.0.1-4      Zed's Virtual Terminal
 i   libzvt2-shlibs   2.0.1-4      Zed's Virtual Terminal
 i   linc1            0.5.5-1      Network client/server library
 i   linc1-shlibs     0.5.5-1      Network client/server library
 i   macosx           10.2.6-1     [virtual package representing the
system]
 i   metacity         2.4.13-2     Metacity window manager
 i   metacity-setup   0.7.1-3      Configure the Metacity Window Manager
 i   nautilus         2.0.8-2      Next-generation GNOME 2 file manager
 i   nautilus-shlibs  2.0.8-2      Next-generation GNOME 2 file manager
 i   ncurses          5.3-1        Full-screen ascii drawing library
 i   netpbm-bin       10.12-2      Graphics manipulation programs and
libraries
 i   netpbm10-shlibs  10.12-2      Graphics manipulation programs and
libraries
(i)  oaf              0.6.10-4     Object Activation Framework
(i)  oaf-shlibs       0.6.10-4     Object Activation Framework
 i   openjade         1.3.2-3      Implementation of DSSSL
 i   opensp3          1.5-3        SGML parser
 i   opensp3-shlibs   1.5-3        Shared Libraries for opensp3
 i   orbit            0.5.17-5     The CORBA ORB used in GNOME
 i   orbit-shlibs     0.5.17-5     The CORBA ORB used in GNOME
 i   orbit2           2.4.4-1      High-performance CORBA Object Request
Broker
 i   orbit2-dev       2.4.4-1      High-performance CORBA Object Request
Broker
 i   orbit2-shlibs    2.4.4-1      High-performance CORBA Object Request
Broker
(i)  pango1           1.2.1-2      I18N text handling system convinience
pac...
(i)  pango1-dev       1.2.1-2      I18N text handling system convinience
pac...
(i)  pango1-shlibs    1.2.1-2      I18N text handling system convinience
pac...
(i)  passwd           20030621-2   User and group entries for daemons
 i   pcre-shlibs      4.2-2        Perl Compatible Regular Expressions
Library
 i   pkgconfig        0.15.0-2     System for managing library
compile/link ...
 i   popt             1.7-1        Library for parsing command line
options
 i   popt-shlibs      1.7-1        Library for parsing command line
options
 i   python           2.3b1-1      Interpreted, object-oriented language
 i   python23         2.3b1-1      Interpreted, object-oriented language
 i   python23-shlibs  2.3b1-1      Interpreted, object-oriented language
 i   python23-socket  2.3b1-1      Socket plugin for python
 i   readline         4.3-5        Comfortable terminal input library
 i   readline-shlibs  4.3-5        Comfortable terminal input library
(i)  rep-gtk          0.17-2       Gtk+ and GNOME bindings for librep
(i)  sawfish          1.3-2        Themeable and scriptable window
manager
 i   scrollkeeper     0.3.12-2     Cataloging system for documentation
 i   sgml-entities-i  1986-3       SGML standard (ISO 8879) entity sets
for ...
 i   storable-pm      1.0.14-6     Placeholder for versioned Storable
packages
 i   storable-pm560   1.0.14-3     Perl module for persistent data
structure...
 i   tar              1.13.25-1    GNU tar - tape archiver
 i   tcltk            8.4.1-1      Tool Command Language and the Tk
toolkit
 i   tcltk-dev        8.4.1-1      Tool Command Language and the Tk
toolkit
 i   tcltk-shlibs     8.4.1-1      Tool Command Language and the Tk
toolkit
 i   texinfo          4.2-2        Texinfo documentation system
(i)  xfree86-base     4.2.1.1-4    XFree86 libraries, utilities, clients
and...
(i)  xfree86-base-sh  4.2.1.1-4    XFree86 libraries, utilities, clients
and...
(i)  xfree86-rootles  4.2.1.1-4    XFree86 libraries, utilities, clients
and...
(i)  xfree86-rootles  4.2.1.1-4    XFree86 libraries, utilities, clients
and...
 i   yelp             1.0.7-2      Help browser for GNOME 2.0
[Francis-X-Maiers-Computer:~] franx% 





-----Original Message-----
From:   Alexander K. Hansen
Sent:   Thu 6/26/2003 8:54 PM
To:     Francis Maier; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:     
Subject:        RE: [Fink-beginners] More Gnome/XDarwin problems

Try running "fink list -i" and put it on the list:  that way we can see
what
all you have installed.

Alexander K. Hansen
Levitated Dipole Experiment
http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francis
Maier
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Fink-beginners] More Gnome/XDarwin problems

This is getting frustrating.

1.  Because of continuing XDarwin/Gnome 1.4 problems, I again
disinstalled all apps and Fink itself.  Then reinstalled Fink,
xfree86-rootless, sawfish, abiword and a couple of other apps.

2.  I then compiled and installed Gnome-core 2.0 and Gnome-bundle 2.0

3.  I tried launching Gnome 2.0 from sawfish -- nothing.  Bus error.

4.  I then revised my .xinitrc file to read "exec gnome-session," and
again, as in all past attempts, XDarwin just kicked me back to Aqua with
this console log:

2003-06-26 19:54:59.935 XDarwin[11011] 
XDarwin 1.1.1.1

This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any
way.  Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions,
please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository
(http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs)

XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 October 2002
        If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your hardware is
        newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
        reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: Darwin
Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping.
_XSERVTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be set to root
Warning: no access to tty (Inappropriate ioctl for device).
Thus no job control in this shell.

Display mode: Full screen Quartz
Screen 0 added: 1024x768 @ (0,0)

(process:11022): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
        Using the fallback 'C' locale.
gnome-session Fink upgrade: Asking upgrade question
Jun 26 19:55:16 Francis-X-Maiers-Computer crashdump: Crash report
written to:
/Users/franx/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/gnome-session.crash.log

Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping.
Display mode: Full screen Quartz
Screen 0 added: 1024x768 @ (0,0)


waiting for X server to shut down 


Quitting XDarwin...

I really want to make this work, but I'm running out of gas.  Anybody
know what I'm doing wrong??



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