I just saw this on Apple's x11 list, and for those of you that aren't on
both this list & that one, it seemed worthwhile to forward here:

Chris Devers    [EMAIL PROTECTED]

daemon, n. \pronounced day-mon\
One of many puckish processes raising merrie hell in the bowels of UNIX.

The OE spelling, by tradition, distinguishes the relatively benign
daemon from the downright evil demon. The spooler daemon, for example,
delights in sending your high priority reports to a paper-low printer,
whereas the spooler demon prefers to direct all your print requests to
a non-existent DIABLO at a remote site. PC UNIX considers both daemon
and demon to be offensive to many religious groups and mandates the use

    -- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:34:07 -0800
From: Haroon Sheikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X11 for Mac OS X Frequently Asked Questions

F.A.Q. for X11 for Mac OS X Public Beta  v0.1

Q: What is X11 for Mac OS X?
A: Go to http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11 for more info.

Q: How do I file bug reports and request features?
A: Bug reports and feature requests related to X11 for Mac OS X (or
anything else) can and should be filed at
<http://developer.apple.com/bugreporter>. There is a web interface and
and e-mail one for those who are web-form adverse.  We suggest writing
bugs (and feature requests) there so things do not get lost in the
shuffle (you can be sure that the bug report will get the the team and
someone definitely will look at it). Include as much info as possible
(detailed steps) and a good system config (an Apple System Profiler
report) is always useful.

Q: Is there a mailing list?
A: Yes, you can subscribe to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
from the following url: http://www.lists.apple.com/x11-users. This
list's main purpose is for discussions among the X community. Apple
will monitor the list and help answer questions but doesn't guarantee
that every bug report or feedback sent to the mailing list will be
processed. Use the bugreporter (see above) instead to make sure your
input is processed.

Q: Can you archive the x11-users mailing list?
A: The archives should now be working.

Q: Where are things installed?
A: In /Applications/X11.app and /usr/X11R6. If you have an existing
/etc/X11 it is backed-up during installation and a new one is
installed. A pre-existing ~/.xinitrc is not touched.

Q: Can I run another window manager instead of quartz-wm?
A: Yes, by all means.

Q: Which version of XFree86 does X11 for Mac OS X correspond to?
A: XFree86 4.2.1

Q: Will X11 for Mac OS X update to newer versions of XFree86?
A: Yes, we will continue to work with the XFree86 community to
synchronize changes.

Q: Does X11 work with a previous installed version of XDarwin?
A: We recommend you backup and move aside your previous installation of
X and then install X11 for Mac OS X. A few people have been able to get
X11 for Mac OS X, XDarwin and OroborosX to all co-exist.

Q: Will source for X11 for Mac OS X be released?
A: Yes, the source code for the X11 server will be made available soon
on the Darwin web pages. It will only contain the source for the X11
server, but not the quartz-wm window manager.

Q: Does X11.app process my .xinitrc?
A: Yes, if one exists, it will be used. If not, then it will launch
/usr/X11/bin/quartz-wm and an xterm. You can customize launch your
favorite window manager, customize your launched xterm or launch other
applications from a .xinitrc.

Q: I don't see /Applications/X11.app after installing.
A: Make sure you install the X11UserForMacOSX.mkpg (about 40 megs) from
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/download/ and not just the
X11SDKForMacOSX.pkg file.

Q: I do not see an xterm startup when launching X11.app.
A: Try backing up your existing .xinitrc if you have one and moving it

Q: How do I copy and paste using X11 for Mac OS X?
A: X11 for Mac OS X allows cut and past between X11 and native
applications using PRIMARY and PASTEBOARD selections. You can cut text
from X by selecting text and paste in native Mac OS X applications
using CMD-v. CMD-v doesn't work in X apps (this is by design). You
should use the middle mouse button instead for pasting (See X11
Preferences for emulating a middle mouse button). The cmd-v menu option
will be active when non-X windows are active, e.g. when entering text
in the "Customize Applications" menu item. We will be looking at this
issue further to see if it can be improved.
For xchat : If someone posts a url to a channel, i have to drag-select
it, then middle-click it to the text entry buffer, then select it
again, and hit ctrl-x to cut it. then i can cmd-v in a native app. any
other possible variation of this process doesn't work.

Q: I'm having problem with my international keyboard and with key
A: X11 for Mac OS X Public Beta was an English only release. We are
looking at this issue. In the mean time you can try the following
- Any arguments passed to the X11.app binary will be passed along to
the X server, so you could try doing this:
             /Applications/X11.app/Content/MacOS/X11 -keymap
- Use the command xmodmap -e 'keycode 66 = Mode_switch' to activate the
left Alt key. To get right Alt, use 'keycode 69'.
- Use the command stty -istrip to allow the use of accentuated
- Getting the delete key to work : xmodmap -e 'keycode 59 = Delete'  or
  xmodmap -e 'keysym BackSpace = Delete'

Known issues (not everything will be fixed for the final product):
-  X clients do not appear as separate applications, e.g. in the dock
and when Command-TAB'ing through applications.
- When closing an X11 window, if a native window is next in order, it
won't be focused, the next X11 window will be.
- App window placement policy currently piles windows up in the
top-left, instead of cascading them.
- KDE and Gnome hints are currently not supported. This can result in
unwanted window decorations.
- A zombie process is created when shutting down X11 and restarting.
Resource usage is minimal though. Ugly workaround: logout and log back
- Running other window managers can result in windows hidden underneath
the menu bar.
- Copy & Paste not working with other window managers.
- Cannot connect to X Server after a network config change - currently
requires restart of X server.
- CMD-V doesn't work in X apps (this is by design) - use the middle
mouse button instead.
- Minimizing a X11 window to the dock can appear empty (with no icon)
and with no genie effect.
- X11 windows minimized to dock will remain in the dock after quitting
- Quartz-wm currently doesn't put resize handles on dialog windows, or
windows whose minimum and maximum sizes are the same.
- Currently focussed X11 app is not checked in the Window menu.
- OpenGL : offscreen rendering is currently not supported.
- OpenGL : resizing glxgears does not update the window correctly
- OpenGL apps refresh rate is limited by the display refresh rate (even
on LCD panels where it should max out at 60fps).
- OpenGL : XInputExtension is not yet implemented.  Maya and some GLUT
applications require this extension.
- OpenGL :  Cannot launch OpenGL applications unless the user is root
or the current logged in user in Mac OS X.
- hide/show menu options not fully working.

Some commonly requested features (not all will make the final product):
- Ability to route a mouse click to the X11 root window using a
modifier key
- Virtual Desktop facility in X11 or in Mac OS X
- option for no-click-to-focus
- Add the Applications menu to the X11 icon in the Dock.  Also
associate shortcuts like cmd-1 for the first entry, etc.
- Resize handle is a square and too big. Make it triangular.
- Modify /usr/bin/open-x11 to launch the X server if not running before
launching a X app.
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