When I first became aware of this approach to dealing with youth violence, I was working as a cop assigned to the County hospital in San Francisco, CA. We saw a lot of minors with gunshot wounds. Hardly any of them were accidental. And hardly any of the "victims" were exactly what you might call "innocent." The innocent ones were what the bangers called "mushrooms" because they just popped up in the line of fire during a drive-by. Locking up guns in the home would have had zero effect on any of these tragedies. When there were kids in my home who were too young to grasp the importance of gun safety -- and had friends who were even less aware -- my guns that were either duty weapons or house guns were locked in a quick-access lock-box.

The medical establishment serves itself and the politicians over whom they exercise some degree of influence in a /quid pro quo/ relationship, it would seem. This establiushemnt -- and Big Pharma -- does not serve the public.

Jamie

On 6/22/2011 13:46, Raymond Kessler wrote:

Agreed: The JAMA publishes a lot of trash research on the gun issue. Peer review is, IMHO, very weak in this area. See also

http://www.secondamendmentlibrary.com/10/KESSLER.htm

Dr. Ray Kessler

Prof. of Criminal Justice

P.S.  Please feel free to check out my blog at

http://crimelawandjustice.blogspot.com/

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I have been at a loss as to why doctors seem to think they have the answer to the whole issue of violence. Their psychiatric branch does a poor job predicting, even with years of study, the potential for violence in individuals. So, they want all of us to give up our rights and freedoms. It's the old kindergarten approach. "Johnny eats paste. No one may use paste." Heck, punish or treat Johnny and leave the rest of us non-paste-eaters the heck alone. The 2nd Amendment uses the "S" word: /_Shall not_/ be infringed. Even the kids in Johnny's kindergarten class can probably figure out what that means. So, why do doctors have so much trouble with it?

Jamie Fraser-Paige
Albuquerque, NM

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"Dangerous People or Dangerous Weapons: Access to Firearms for Persons
with Mental Illness"
JAMA, Vol. 305, p. 2108, 2011
Georgetown Public Law Research Paper No. 11-70
LAWRENCE O. GOSTIN, Georgetown University Law Center - O'Neill Institute
for National and Global Health Law
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KATHERINE L. RECORD, Georgetown University - The O'Neill Institute for
National and Global Health Law
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The recent attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords has once
again focused the nation?s attention on the danger of the wide
availability of firearms. The Supreme Court has ruled that gun
restrictions may only be imposed on those deemed ?prohibited persons?
under the Gun Control Act of 1968. Although some are easily identifiable
(e.g., children, convicted felons), one widely inclusive group is not ?
the mentally ill.
The current system designed to bar the mentally ill from purchasing or
possessing firearms is ineffectual due to a lack of reporting and the
existence of loopholes. What?s more, no state has developed the capacity
to remove firearms from gun owners deemed dangerous post-purchase. As
the nation has seen time and time again, categorical gun restrictions do
not systematically keep firearms out of the hands of dangerous mentally
ill persons. Moreover, these restrictions infringe on individual rights.
Attempts to forecast violence not only frequently fail, but also force
patients to disclose health status on purchasing forms, thereby
compromising confidentiality designed to foster candidacy in seeking
treatment.
The Supreme Court?s interpretation of the Second Amendment requires that
Congress and the states regulate people, not arms. We argue that such an
approach will always be problematic ? both for the public and
individuals. Nonetheless, we suggest four legal changes that the Court
would likely uphold, and that may reduce dangerous use of firearms: (1)
ban large-sized ammunition magazines, (2) withhold state funding for
incomplete reporting or inadequate privacy protections, (3) ensure more
rapid and reliable background checks, and (4) close purchasing
loopholes.
"May" means that Constitutional rights can be restricted on the basis of
mere speculation (a JAMA speciality with regard to firearms) so long as
your "heart is pure." Another crock from the Obamacare people.
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