I can't see from Paul's clipped example where Bob Spitzer has reconciled his
hypothesis of a modern provenance for the individual right with the contrary
evidence.

Irving Brant, being a modern commentator, is a separate issue. But take the
referenced Brant quote, which I set out more fully:

"The Second Amendment, popularly misread, comes to life chiefly on the
parade floats of rifle associations and in the propaganda of mail order
houses selling pistols to teenage gangsters . . . the purpose of the Second
Amendment was to forbid Congress to prohibit the maintenence of a state
militia. By its nature, that amendment cannot be transformed into a personal
right to bear arms, enforcable by federal compulsion against the states."

Now contrast Brant's above assertion with what he  indignantly emphasizes
150 pages earlier in the same book:

"In the entire Senate debate on the Fourteenth Amendment, running from May
23 to June 8, *not a single senator challenged Senator Howard's declaration
that Section 1 made the first eight amendments enforcable against the
states.*" [emphasis original to Brant]

See it? Brant wants an expansive 14th Am that makes the first eight
amendments enforceable against the states. But when the gun-club float joins
the parade, the 2nd Am becomes "by its nature" un-enforceable against the
states as an individual right. So it is . . . a state power that is
enforceable against the states? Or it's a federal power enforceable against
the states, embodied in a Bill of Rights that enumerates limits on
Congressional power?

Note how, in the top quote,  Brant asserts that the Second Amendment
purports to forbid Congress to abolish the militia. This is a testable
hypothesis. The test is in militia law. And the answer is that Congress can
abolish the militia, according to the Supreme Court in Selective Draft Law
Cases. Even the 1st Cir. explicitly acknowledged this in Dukakis v. Dep't of
Defense, Second Amendment notwithstanding, .

Opponents of federal conscription have historically argued its
unconsitutionality on the grounds that it impermissibly allows Congress to
eliminate the militia in creating an army. This argument was advanced at
length by the Hartford Convention, which did not think to cite the Second
Amendment. The same anti-draft argument was advanced by the Penn. Supreme
Court in 1863 in Kneedler v. Lane, where a lone concurring justice cited the
Second Amendment in the middle of a long rambling opinion. But the
majority's decision was overturned weeks later. The Supreme Court upheld
conscription in 1918, specifically acknowledging that it implies the
elimination of state militia, and that is where the law stands today.

The cavalier assertion that the Second Amendment is a feature of militia law
has almost zero basis in law or history. It exists almost entirely in dicta
from gun cases, almost all of those modern. From my perspective, Brant and
Bob Spitzer are throwing stones from the roof of a glass house.

Norman Heath








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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Restrain your amazement


> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. N. Heath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Re: Robert Spitzer's article:
> Another eye-popping omission would be attributing a modern provenance to
the
> individual right reading while overlooking the widely-known individual
right
> endorsements of Coxe, Tucker, Rawle, Story, and Cooley.
>
>
> Mr. Spitzer might have ignored those folks in his article, but his book,
The Politics of Gun Control, cites them. After noting that Supreme Court and
lower court decisions suggest a militia rather than individual right
interpretation, and citing Burger, C.J., in his famous Parade law review
article, he then goes on to a subsection on "The Textbook Bill of Rights"
(pp. 42-43, 56):
> "Added confirmation of the courts' understanding is likewise found in most
standard texts on the Bill of Rights. From classic analyses from the
nineteenth century, like those of Joseph Story and Thomas Cooley,60 to
modern treatments, the verdict is the same. In his classic book on the Bill
of Rights, Irving Brant says: 'The Second Amendment, popularly misread,
comes to life chiefly on parade floats of rifle associations and in the
propaganda of mail-order houses selling pistols to teenage gangsters.'...
> "60. Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution (Durham, N.C.:
Carolina Academic Press, 1987), 708; and Thomas M. Cooley, General
Principles of Constitutional Law (Boston: Little, Brown, 1898), 298-99.
Cooley did not include discussion of the important Presser case until the
subsequent (fourth) edition of this book, published in 1931, when he
buttressed the standard interpretation found in the writings of other
constitutional scholars."
>
> PHB
>

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