On Jul 12, 11:56 pm, Luke Maurer <[email protected]> wrote:
> !!!! Dude! Why didn't you say there were design documents?!
>
> Also, why have a separate group for them? Or why not redirect the
> design discussions from here over there?
The separate group is focused on input from Firebug developers rather
than Firebug users.
>
> Seriously, we could all be having a much better informed and more
> productive discussion if we realized that there were documented
> rationales for all these decisions. Now we know what your assumptions
> were (and right away I can see that you erred in your consideration of
> what a "power JS user" is, if there is such a thing; the big category
> you're missing is JS/Ajax *developer*, which happens to be the
> constituency objecting the most to the changes).
Rather than asserting an error, it would be more helpful if you can
say what specific issue you see missing the user experience scenario.
>
> So why not have those documents be part of the discourse earlier?
Those notes were only relevant during the design work back in January.
I only pointed them out in case someone wants to work on an
alternative activation.
These notes were not updated to the final implementation and issues
with the user-experience design are not documented. In particular, the
final 1.4 implementation separates placement, activation, and panel
enablement. This greatly simplified the implementation.
> People could have told you right away that they were not well-
> represented among the user scenarios, and you would've caught the
> mismatch well ahead of time. Or at least these arguments could've been
> happening well before the beta. In any case, that document seems to
> reflect a pretty profound misunderstanding of how people use Firebug.
I think you are misunderstanding the document.
> (For instance: If I want to "debug a site deeply," why does it follow
> that I want to debug *all open pages*? You think we never check GMail
> in the middle of a debug session? If I want to debug a site deeply,
> that's what Firebug should let me do, and exactly what 1.3 let us do.)
If you switch to GMail in the middle of a 1.4 debug session Firebug
will suspend unless you have activated Firebug on GMail. This was true
in 1.3 and continues to be true in 1.4.
jjb
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