On Aug 6, 3:20 pm, Brett B <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am also on the same page with these requests, but since you aren't
> quite understanding them I'll try to explain.
>
> FF 3.5.2 20090729
> FB 1.4X.0
The current version is 1.4.2
> OS XP sp3
>
> When Firefox opens, firebug should always be "On".
I'm uncertain what you mean by this, but in general Firefox being open
and Firebug being visible or active are not related.
> With the new option you're required to constantly close(minimize/
> whatever) the FB window and refresh the web page, and then open FB
This is not correct.
> again. The old way was easier, every time you opened FB w/ F12 it
> opened and was turned On for that page. When you went to another tab,
> and hit F12, FB would open and load as On for THAT page.
Yes, this is how Firebug 1.4 works.
> Now, the FB window shows over each page with the last one you had
> showing.
>
> More on that last part.
> The most frustrating thing that I've come across is the FireBug window
> staying open in every tab. When I open the FB window in Tab1, I don't
> want Tab1's FB window to show when I click to Tab2. IF I'm trying to
> only edit information for Tab1, I have to then minimize FB in Tab2,
> and then reopen it back in Tab1.
>
> Say, for example, I have a local document (maybe it's a word document
> I'm viewing in FF, maybe it's another website I'm using for reference
> that I need to have the whole screen showing) open in Tab 2, and 'my
> website' open in Tab1. I'm exploring the HTML and CSS for Tab1 and
> changing/referencing Tab2. I have no need for FB to still display on
> Tab2, since I need to be able to view the whole window, but I don't
> want to have to reopen FB each time I switch back to Tab1. If I'm also
> trying to view a small source from Tab3, I want to have FB remain
> closed until I need it. Then when I open FB in Tab3, it will show the
> info from Tab3's page, Tab2 will still not have any FB window up, and
> Tab1 will still show the FB info for Tab1. Not have to be turning it
> on for each window, adding URI's to blacklist or whitelist, not having
> to turn different panels and sections on for each page and then re
> open and reload FB and the URL everytime I switch between tabs. That's
> just way too confusing, frustrating, and time consuming!
I can't really follow all of this, but I gather that you wish that
Firebug's "placement", meaning [inBrowser, minimized, detached] was
remembered on a per page basis rather than being constant for all web
pages?
If so, then we plan to include this feature in FireStarter in the
future.
The number of ways Firebug is used is truly amazing and of course
everyone thinks their way is what everyone does. Changes in 1.4 made a
huge improvement in the code, we actually understand how it all
works.
(By the way, firebug does not pay attention to tabs, its all about the
web page window and its url).
>
> The way it used to run was much more convenient. Besides the fact that
> the 'Inspect' button doesn't say inspect anymore, which took awhile to
> figure out what had changed and what now does what, the state change
> and tab memory is making me want to uninstall the new version and try
> to use an older version of FB. Being forced to minimize and maximize
> the tab in navigation from one to the next is the most frustrating
> aspect IMO, and the ONLY saving grace is the fact that it USUALLY
> restores the page information exactly to the element it was left on.
I guess you are saying the same thing again?
>
> Having it act the way it does in the new version should be an option,
> working like 1.33 by DEFAULT. I haven't heard or read from anyone
> saying that having to open and close, reload and refresh, and enable
> or disable every time for every tab is of any benefit or improvement.
Well you can to back and read the newsgroup about 1.3.
>
> Hopefully this is more complete of a description for you since the
> previous two attempts to address this problem were far too unclear,
> even though I was able to pinpoint these requests as the exact same
> issue I have been having.
. By far the best way to communicate about the UI is to list the steps
one by one using the words in the UI:
1. Open http://getfirebug.com
2. Click Firebug in the status bar
3. ...
like that. That way I can tell if you are seeing Firebug or just a
problem caused by some conflicting extension or some such.
jjb
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