> > So our complaints are less valid because you would have to change it
> > again? :p
>
> No, your complaints are valid and understandable. As would the
> complaints of folks who like it the way it is.

That was more of a joke. Hence the :p

> ? What down arrow?

The minimize button. It points down ( \/ ). Maximize points up ( /\ ).
Yes, ok, it doesn't have the straight line that is the heart and soul
of the arrow, but I figured you'd know what I meant.

> Cause Firefox to no long use resources for a tab: X.  Cause Firebug to
> no longer user resources for a page: off button.

> So what operation do you say that Firefox does when you click the red
> X on a web page tab? Or the red X in the upper corner of a Firefox OS
> window?
>
> > Close a tab: X. Close the sidebar: X Close firebug: down arrow.
>
> Cause Firefox to no long use resources for a tab: X.  Cause Firebug to
> no longer user resources for a page: off button.

So you agree that it's not the same as Fx (off vs X) :p
But actually I see the reason for the difference. Especially after the
x was previously minimize.
And button type aside, you're right. I'll give you that. But my
sidebar example stands. When I open it again it's in the same state it
was before I closed it :)

> > If this simply isn't something that's going to come back, I wonder how
> > long before somebody releases that extension that restores it to the
> > 1.3 UI.
>
> This is easy to do.

Yeah, maybe I should go in and edit the xul and move the minimize over
for me. That I could handle. But then I'd have to do it on every
update.
Writing an extension for it, well, that I probably wouldn't have the
time to learn how to.


> Well, for what its worth, its Fx UI people who convinced me that the
> 1.4 order made the most sense.

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. And I can even see why it is
that way.  But I still think that the most used button should be the
most prominent. And it probably is (off is most used I guess?) but not
in my case since I most often minimize when I'm using firebug (off
isn't used all that often because generally I don't turn it on unless
I intend to use it quite a bit. In which case I open, minimize, open
minimize, open minimize). So that's why it makes sense to me.

Compound this slightly annoying issue (to me) with the change in how
firefox is enabled (turn on by domain via button that says so vs turn
on simply clicking the icon and the confusing on for all webpages
option) and the bug in Fx that made it not remember what sites had it
turned on made 1.4 incredibly annoying to use.

I probably just missed it when I installed, (which makes me one of
those morons that any support team rightfully complains about... RTFM)
but a large change in the way things work (mostly just the change in
how to enable firbug) should be made pretty visible when it's updated.
Though I fully expect to find that it was and I'm that guy (the kind I
hate) that didn't read it.
For a while there I was wondering why the minimize button (the red X)
was changed to the word Off. Now that I understand how things work, it
makes more sense.

I still want my minimize button more prominent. :)

But anyway, thanks for your civil and well explained response.
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