On Aug 27, 11:27 am, Garrett Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:37 PM, johnjbarton<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 18, 12:34 pm, Bob Hassinger <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "I have a browser crashing
> >> issue. When I open certain sites like Gmail and Meebo, Firefox slows
> >> to a crawl and crashes"
>
> >> Watching all this discussion go by for many months, it seems a key
> >> root is "the Gmail problem". Do I recall correctly that back around
> >> 1.2-1.3 that there were a lot of complaints about conflicts between FB
> >> and sites like Gmail, and a lot of the attention to activation schemes
> >> flowed from there?
>
> > I wish it were so simple.
>
> > In FF 2.0, gmail + firebug meant crashes. Eventually we learned that
> > the problem was much worse: google's pageads code crashed firefox
> > because of a combo of JS debugging and GC. Fixed in FF3.0
>
> > Issues for FF3.0 are all around resources. (I discount the "crashes"
> > in the report above, they may not mean the same thing I do, it may not
> > be Firebug, etc). Gmail is a common reason for folks to want a
> > browser that is both a debugger and user tool. But it's not the only
> > reason.
>
> >> Likewise, as the above quote reflects a lot of the current concern
> >> would go away if there was not a need to be off/inactive/whatever for
> >> Gmail and maybe some fairly limited set of other sites.
>
> > I don't agree for two reasons.
>
> > First controlling the resource requirements of Firebug will always be
> > needed. It is not specific to gmail or even to trying to combine
> > debugging and other web activity. A serious debug tool will be applied
> > to serious applications and they will stress the limits of resources.
> > We need to be able to control Firebug.
>
> How do you define "serious application"?
>
> If that definition/criteria includes "syntactially valid ECMAScript",
> then GMail cannot be considered "serious".
Heh. By "serious application" I meant "applications that need help
from a debugger", so gmail fits as you note.
jjb
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