Please stop using bad language! As mentioned several times, the Firebug team has minimal resources, so the Firebug Working Group had to go that way, otherwise Firebug would have been dead as soon as e10s is enabled by default.
Note that SeaMonkey support for the DevTools is reported in bug 842942 <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=842942>. So if you want Firebug to work there, you should vote on that bug or post a constructive comment or even provide a patch for it. Sebastian On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 7:27:49 PM UTC+1, jez9999 wrote: > > Of course, this all sucks huge balls for those of us who used Firebug in > SeaMonkey. But whatever, you don't care about us. Thanks a lot. > > -- > Best regards, > Jeremy Morton (Jez) > > On 04/02/2015 18:06, Jan Honza Odvarko wrote: > > > > Some more comments to this thread. > > > > I believe I understand most of the complaints and comments in this > > thread and I can assure you that we are (FWG and yes even Mozilla) > > listening to your feedback. I am personally involved in the Firebug > > project since 2007 and I am quite familiar with the whole thing. Not > > only with the code base, but also with various planning and strategies > > we have been through over the years. > > > > Firebug in its current incarnation (i.e. Firebug 2) doesn't have any > > bright future (and believe me I belong among those who'd love to see > > it!). The architecture isn't ready for multi-process browser (aka e10s) > > and FWG is definitely not strong enough to refactor it. It would be > > enormous pile of work (estimated as several years of work by one of the > > FWG member). It's not something we want to spent time on - that would > > mean ignore built-in tools in Firefox and duplicate the existing > > platform. If you don't agree, do it yourselves. It's an open source > > after all. > > > > Yes, Mozilla could base built-in tools on Firebug, but it didn't happen > > (I wasn't there personally when the decision has been made). Perhaps, > > sometimes it's just better to start over (it isn't an exception in the > > software world). But, this isn't even that important, the important > > thing is to make sure that Firefox has great developer tools - yes, even > > better than Firebug is now. > > > > I agree that it still isn't the current situation - the more is > > important to work on one tool (and not spread energy on two independent > > tools). That's why we decided to move on and (re) build the next > > generation of Firebug on top of the built-in tools. There is good > > platform and bad UX and UX is exactly the thing where Firebug (team) can > > jump in and bring experience. Some features can be part of Firebug 3 and > > some can be implemented as built-in features for everyone's benefit. > > Some features can be developed as Firebug 3 features and if accepted > > well by the community of web-developers, we can make them built-in. > > > > We are at a spot where we need to take this path. That's the best we can > do. > > > > If you want to be productive - point out concrete ideas. What specific > > features are you missing and what new features you'd like to have. File > > bugs [1] > > > > One of the most commented missing features in Firebug 3 has been XHR > > debugging/logging. > > > > And yes again, we are listening, it's now in Firebug 3 > > (check out alpha 8) > > > https://github.com/firebug/firebug.next/releases/tag/firebug-3.0.0-alpha.8 > > (if sucessfull, it can become native feature) > > > > What should be the next? > > > > Honza > > (Firebug team leader) > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/firebug/firebug.next/issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > > Google Groups "Firebug" group. > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/firebug/9nWmTvZv6lw/unsubscribe. > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > > [email protected] <javascript:> > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:>>. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:> > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:>>. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/firebug. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/firebug/c5b43ea5-50ea-4647-9160-28803264223e%40googlegroups.com > > > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/firebug/c5b43ea5-50ea-4647-9160-28803264223e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Firebug" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/firebug. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/firebug/aa0dda83-6d39-4f3a-ba2c-77d525b14785%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
