Gary I need to make something clear.
I in no way stated on this list that I am a Cisco employee, nor did I
represent myself to this list as being a representative of Cisco. I
included you in a private email between the people that are interested in
what I am doing as a way to possibly curb your anal retentive behavior and
give you more information as to what I am doing so as to allay your
doubts.
I want to make it clear that I do not appreciate you releasing private
information about me in any way, shape or form. I value my privacy and
information about myself. Please consider that next time you decide to
release personal information about me or anyone for that matter to a
public mailing list.
I have stated over and over again that what I am working on will be
released open source and included in my previous email that the
intellectual rights will be owned by everyone.. as in.. the whole
community. What part of that don't you understand? I will remind you that
you are in the US and being such it's likely that you at least have a
rudimentary knowledge of the english language and of the meaning of what
I said. (If you do not then please visit babelfish.altavista.com)
For you to understand what I said and to still claim that it is some get
rich quick scheme means you are calling my integrity into question. That
I find highly offensive and I'm sure you would as well.
Furthermore, if my sarcasm got to you and you feel the need to defend
yourself as to your installation of firewalls and the training you have
provided, I feel that maybe I hit a nerve. I will be the first to state
that I don't know you, I have not heard of you, and the only things I have
seen from you have been information on this mailing list which you provide
those that ask.
You seem to believe you're in the business of helping people, so how did I
get so much doubt for asking for something as simple as logs? In a perfect
world we'd have a firewall log archive much the same as there is a
internet traffic archive. But there's not, so to get a good idea of the
different types of logfiles and the mechanisms used I was forced to ask
for help.
I can assure you that I'll be much less likely to ask in the future.
I'm not asking you to believe what I'm saying, I do however ask that you
keep your opinions to yourself when they don't benefit anyone but
yourself. I would do the same for you.
I will state once more, take this topic off the list. I have no wants to
continue something that I and likely many others find offensive. I'm not
into flamewars, they take up too much time that can be better utilized
elsewhere.
Goodbye Gary.
Kevin Lynn
On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Gary D. Long wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> On the contrary, I am very helpful to the overall security and firewall community
> as a whole, having installed many systems and trained throughout the nation and the
> world. Being a security-minded individual, I am very skeptical of anyone
> requesting information that would point directly to the type of firewall I or my
> company utilizes. Security-minded individuals don't disclose this type of
> information at will.
>
> In addition, since you have now disclosed that you are a Cisco employee, I would be
> less apt to provide you with any information regarding my security infrastructure.
> This appears to be some sort of "get rich" scheme on your behalf.
>
> My advice to the firewall community is to request co-ownership of the product
> before its development.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Gary: Welcome to being the first non-supportive reply I've recieved. I'm
> > sure you can remain steadfast and proud that you've protected so many from
> > the my evil clutches and the terror which surely would have ensued if
> > people had been helpful in giving me real or fake firewall logs. As always
> > I'm completely amazed at how helpful you are to the firewall community as
> > a whole.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *grins* that said..
> >
> > If you must know.. it will be open source.. however I haven't wanted to
> > clog up the firewalls mailing list with the info. The reason for this
> > being that I have no wants to get anyone excited about something I'm doing
> > as a test, which has a chance at being vaporware, and which has no backing
> > from any company which is well known in the field.
> >
> > I believe the last two of those points will change very shortly. I've
> > recieved an overwhelmingly warm response from the people that have written
> > me to ask what the deal is, what I have in mind, and in some cases to ask
> > that I sign NDA's for release of information.
> >
> > You'll notice in my previous email that I specified that the firewall info
> > could be real or not. This is because I *don't care* what the info it
> > contains is.. all I care about is the format so I can compile it into the
> > other formats which I already know. There's a specific purpose to this and
> > hopefully I will be able to give more details soon.
> >
> > If anyone that reads this has any questions as to what I'm doing you're
> > welcomed to email me and ask. As before I'd rather not clog up the list
> > with this discussion. I will be asking for help in the near future,
> > however I'm trying to go about this in such a way that the people involved
> > are a fairly small group that can move quickly and get things done.
> >
> > If you have any further question as to my motives then ask and I would be
> > happy to provide you with answers.
> >
> > Kevin Lynn
> >
> > On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Gary D. Long wrote:
> >
> > > OK, I hope everyone does fall over each other trying to fulfill this request.
> > > Who would be so naive to vital information about your company's operation
> > > (firewall logs contain IP addresses, etc.) to a complete stranger? In
> > > addition, this smells like a new product development instead of some
> > > "opensource" tool.
> > >
> > > This forum is to try to provide solutions for people with firewall-related
> > > problems, and not to help those with self-interest in mind.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is likely going to seem a strange request but I'm going to ask
> > > > anyways, I'm trying to collect firewall log examples from as many
> > > > different types of firewalls as I can find. It is to test a tool I've been
> > > > working on that will likely be released opensource when I'm finished.
> > > >
> > > > The logs don't have to be new, or real, they just need to be the same
> > > > format that the firewall they are from writes the logs to.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone could help me with this by sending me about 20-30k of your logs
> > > > (new or old, real or not), I'd really appreciate it. Firewalls I'm
> > > > specifically looking for include PIX, Firewall-1, Gautlet, Raptor,
> > > > netscreen, watchguarrd, cyberguard, <yourname>guard :P.. basically any
> > > > firewall logs I can get my hands on.. Please include the name of the
> > > > firewall and the version as well.
> > > >
> > > > Thankyou in advance,
> > > > Kevin Lynn
> > > >
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> > > --
> > > Gary D. Long
> > > Kindred Systems, Inc.
> > > 888-746-4574
> > > www.kindredsystems.com
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Gary D. Long
> Kindred Systems, Inc.
> 888-746-4574
> www.kindredsystems.com
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