IF YOU AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY BELOW, DO NOT RESPOND TO THE LIST. I propose several remedies below, and if you would like to see these acted on, please send e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I feel that large volumes of asinine posts are detracting from this list and because a few members of this list seem to have persistent problems with immoderate posting (or immoderate posting in response to immoderate posting), I would like to suggest splitting this list in two: the existing list should retain its name and restrict itself to discussion of firewall technology, while another list called firewall-policy should be created for all of the jackasses who wish to make specious arguments and start lengthy digressive exchanges in response to everything on this list that isn't their style. I should hope that out of the frustration of having a list subscription turned into a quasi-spam subscription such "contributors" will mend their ways and make more earnest contributions. I don't mean to dismiss the topic of firewall policy, but I don't believe the list as a whole has demonstrated itself capable of sustaining productive conversation on this topic. My hope is that a list on this subject will gain some greater coherence and be able to consider this issue more cogently than this list has. If expertise in many areas is required of firewall administrators, let it be expertise and not amateurism (and certainly not dilettantism) in these areas that all lists for the community of administrators encourages. And let us not forget to encourage a degree of professional courtesy... -Bayard Bell
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