I have to disagree with Sol. First of all 50+5+5=60. What about the other 40%?
Allow me to answer. The other 40% are people with a clue. We've grown out of
defacing web pages and discovered that there is a whole world to security, ranging
from the fun techie stuff to policy and procedure stuff.
Defcon is definately a great place to get a group of people together who only see
each other once a year. There is a wealth of technical knowledge to be absorbed.
Again, I have to disagree with Sol - I would guess that about 40% (the same 40%
mentioned above) have deep knowledge of firewalls. I would say, however, that
defcon is probably not the place to get an intro to firewalls.
Sol wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I've never been to it, but I've been told that it's about 10% hackers and 90%
> > government officials. So there should be some good info there.
>
> It's really more of a circus these days, dudez. More accurately about 5%
> hackers, 50% warez kiddiez and their girlfriends, and 5% government agents
> from FBI / Secret Service / CSAG / RCMP etc. It's a lot of fun but it's
> doubtful you'll learn much about firewalls there except what trendy new
> attacks are developing. Can't beat the cost though and you will not see
> much microsoft! Our group always sends representatives but not always
> speaks openly there!
>
> Also most of the government agents who lurk around DEFCON are know-nothing
> types, who wouldn't know what port SMTP lives on, they are mostly there
> for speakers such as DarkTangent or perhaps B-String or Se7en, or
> investigating various non-firewall issues such as telephony fraud, credit
> cards, cel fone cloning and other fun stuff. Like mabye .5% of the
> attendees will have firewall knowledge... Sometimes the guest speakers are
> good though... people you ordinarily would never have a chance to see...
>
> ...all in all it's pretty much the only such event I care about in the
> US... but it's more of a fun excursion than serious sercurity development
> I would say!
>
> You corporate suit windows-NT using guys should go there and try to hire
> some of those kiddiez, they will set you up sweet.
>
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