<RELIGOUS ARGUMENT>

> Not that anyone cares.. but I MUST disagree.  There is no way 
> in HELL an app proxy is faster than stateful inspection.  

 Read your sentence back to yourself. It is a contradiction
in terms.

> To date, the fastest firewall for just throughput is PIX 

<ASBESTOS UNDIES>
 PIX is not a firewall.
</ASBESTOS UNDIES>

[...]
> some independant testing is under way that rates the IP 650 at around
> 120Mb's throughput).  
[...]
> At the axent site they are excited to have tripled their 
> throughput from 13Mb's to 45Mb's.

 Now compare apples with apples.

> Don't get me wrong, I know this number is NOT a definitive 
> yardstick by which to measure how "good" a firewall is, but 

 I agree. In fact, most industries regard the 'apples -vs-
oranges' method of statistical analysis to be invalid [and|or]
doubtfull.

> to say Raptor and (god help us all) GAUNTLET are "real enterprise 
> firewalls" while FW-1 is a "wannabe" is in my opinion LUDICROUS.  

[...]
> wouldn't put Gauntlet in my tool box.. esp. after the one I saw at my
> current site running on a Sparq Ultra 10 was "dogging itself out" with
> around 2000 users so badly, many were using their modems to dial into
> there ISP's because the performance was superior.  The new 
> FW-1 firewall we implemented is SO much faster, we have since 
> added another 1000 internet users, and the performance is still 
> MANY times faster).

 Of course it is faster. You changed from apples to oranges. You
downgraded your security (does your Vice President - Legal know
about this?). You changed from application level gateway to
packet filtering - I'd be worried if it wasn't faster.

</RELIGOUS ARGUMENT>

Regards,

Geoff

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