Good frickin idea! I can't believe the animosity that was expressed here on
a firewall list!!!.
I speak both French and English and grammatical errors don't bother me! I
wish I had time to learn German or Spanish but time is always a constraint
and I also wish I could use my French more on this list but I don't hold it
against anybody.
But like Carric said as long as we have one little common ground to
communicate our knowledge. Fortunately or not this happens to be English,
good simple, easy to learn English.
And I was wondering what was wrong in this frickin wold. This is only a
firewall list to share security information for god/goddess sake!
(note: God/Goddess has been used to simplify the text, you can replace it
with your own higher spirit)
Jean.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carric Dooley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:58 PM
> To: eric bucher
> Cc: Lee, Dana-Renee; 'Rafi Sadowsky'; Grimes, Dean; 'firewalls lists'
> Subject: Re: *This is a rant*
>
>
> Aber... gibt es kein listen auf Deutsch? Egalement... des listes en
> francais? po Russki? nihon go?
>
> I would relish the opportunity to work where I could pursue my French,
> German, Russian, Japanese, Norwegian and Gaelic while doing network
> security.. but alas.. there has to be some common means of communication,
> no? Grammatical errors don't bother me.. I think you have to BE the odd
> one out, illiterate or unable to express yourself the way you wish before
> you learn true tolerance of other cultures...
>
> One point I would like to make however is that he was criticizing their
> English to make a point... it was not arrogance, but an illustration of
> the destructiveness and pointlessness of the ensuing argument. We are
> here to help each other. That is and should always be the spirit of the
> list, and 99% of the time I believe it is.
>
> Can we all kiss and make up now? =)
>
>
> Carric Dooley CNE
> COM2:Interactive Media
> http://www.com2usa.com
>
> "Luck is the residue of design."
> - Branch Rickey - former owner of the Brooklyn Dodger Baseball Team
>
> On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, eric bucher wrote:
>
> > Most Americans would be right. English IS the language of the world.
> > Ironically, it was American arrogance that forced other nations to adopt
> > English as the language of international business. Why should Americans
> > apologize for being successful? If you saw something working right, you
> > would copy it, and integrate it into whatever context that
> thing belonged.
> > No one is forced to do business with Americans. They do so because they
> > choose to do so. So, if an American company makes a product, and there
> > exist lists of people exchanging ideas concerning that product, wouldn't
> > it make sense that the list would be written in English?
> >
> > At the turn of the century, all of the best science was being done in a
> > small country called Germany. To be a good scientist, one had to be able
> > to read and write German. The international language of
> diplomacy used to
> > be French. When a group of people start doing something good and useful,
> > others want to learn and copy and understand and take part in those
> > endeavors. America is very good at business and others want to
> learn from
> > our advances. So, what's wrong with them also learning our language? By
> > the way, if everyone spoke the same language, it would be one less
> > difference to focus on and one less reason to engage in conflict.
> >
> >
> > -eric
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Lee, Dana-Renee wrote:
> >
> > !I agree with Rafi and too suggest Dean raise his head out of
> the fog and
> > !take a good look around. Most Americans would like to believe
> English is
> > !the language of the world but, it is only one of several used
> and in common
> > !usage around the world. Dean, would you have preferred they
> send a message
> > !in French or German, these too are used commonly around the
> world just as
> > !much as English. By the way, it is attitudes like yours that
> have gotten
> > !Americans the title of "The Ugly American". Patents with
> others is a virtue
> > !and is looked apron as a positive trait in a person.
> > !
> > !Yours Truly,
> > !Renee Lee
> >
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