Free versus paying.. Hmm, isn't that how Netscape got started..
Interesting, it appears to be ZoneLabs and Network Associates model.. It
is cheap hit to get product recognition especially by the Trade Rags and
CoreCom type people.. Those type of companies who market their product
like that, can then state something like the following "We have over
1,000,000 users installed" The question that never gets asked by either
the Trade Rags or people from CoreCom., "How many paying customers do you
have that actually installed the product??" IDC, Gartner Group and others
receive some made up number from the vendor, add their appropriate
comments and send it back to the vendor for validation.. So much for
accuracy from IDC or GartnerGroup.. Yes, the IDS market is a $12 billion
industry, but how what they don't say is what category a particular
application is in. Once you categorize the market segment, the market cap
on the industry is a tad lower. At that level, you have some realism to
the actual number of sales and actual revenue of a particular company
versus a realistic market cap.
Why am I picking on CoreCom? They are so well known for the TISC
conference. Well, last month, the TISC newsletter arrived in my email and
the content of the newsletter was very good, except the same content
appeared elsewhere that same month by another set of authors in another
trade rag word for word I might add.. That is why I am picking on them..
So much for validation of content. Always check your sources and always
watch where you step..
/mark
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Subject: RE: FW: Personal Firewalls Summary
The poster went on to flaunt a product that was free versus a pay product.
I simply stated that BlackICE was able to perform a function that the
poster was unaware of. Further I stated it wasn't a "firewall" product
but, you get what you pay for, and poster returned message that blah blah
blah... Here let me sum it up...
Look up... See that? Right over your head, huh?
eric.
On Sat, 03 June 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Not whatever the case, it is not the poster's lack of understanding but
> the trade rags, the people who write the reviews, good knowledgeable
from
> CoreCom who like to write fluffy reviews and not spend the time to
> understand both the product and the particular market segment a software
> application should really be in.
>
> The level of configurability in any of the products mentioned require
some
> sort of understanding or knowledge of TCP/IP and what particular
> applications are capable of doing. Well, that is all nice and dandy,
but
> I don't most users really want to read gobs of books on TCP/IP or
> Whitepapers, they want to be protected from potentially bad people or
> others who would like to be leapfrog from one end user machine to
another
> and then hack some Fortune 500, or SlashDot, have the authorities
attempt
> to trace the origination of the attack back and forth the US and other
> countries.
>
> The big picture is that end users whether knowledgeable or not, desire a
> product that is "not only is it a floor wax but also a desert topping"
(to
> quote from another well-respected individual in the IDS and Firewalls
> arena)
>
> /mark
>
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 06/03/00 10:56 AM
>
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: FW: Personal Firewalls Summary
>
>
> Whatever, in any case I was commenting primarily on your lack of
> understanding of the product and it's level of configurability.
>
> eric.
>
> On Fri, 02 June 2000, Jamy Klein wrote:
>
> >
> > A true firewall is available from www.tinysoftware.com it's called
tiny
> > firewall, and has configurable rules/filtering, port blocking, and
> loggin.
> > It's only $29.95. Macafee personal firewall formerly conseal private
> desktop
> > is only $39.95 and is also much better and a true firewall. Zonealarm
is
> > much better than blackice and it's free.
> >
> > So as for getting what you pay for, I disagree. Clearly, better
products
> are
> > available for the same price point or free in the case of zonealarm.
> >
> > Jamy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 2:31 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: FW: Personal Firewalls Summary
> >
> >
> > You can block specific ports with Defender. As for being a true
> firewall,
> > no it isn't. But, for the money you get what you pay for.
> >
> > eric.
> >
> > On Fri, 02 June 2000, Jamy Klein wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Balck Ice defender is not a true firewall.. It's basically intrusion
> > > detection.
> > > You can't set access rules, or block specific ports with defender,
all
> the
> > > other products listed are true port blockers at the least. In the
case
> of
> > > Conseal firewall and winroute tey are even packet filters. Network
> ice's
> > > site even states that it is intrusin detection and not a true
> firewall.
> > >
> > > Jamy
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 11:41 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Personal Firewalls Summary
> > >
> > >
> > > BlackICE Defender is a much more evolved product, than most of them,
> plus
> > > their documentation even with errors is far superior over the other
> > > products.
> > >
> > > The Radio Ads for MacAfee Personal Firewall sounds kindy of cheesy
> > > though..
> > >
> > > You really want something that is simple enough for my cat to
install
> > >
> > > /m
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 06/02/00 09:32 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > cc:
> > > Subject: Personal Firewalls Summary
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If anyone is interested, here is a summary of the responses I
received
> > > after
> > > requesting suggestions for Personal Firewalls:
> > >
> > > ZoneAlarm (3 recommendations) http://www.zonelabs.com/
> > > McAfee Personal Firewall (Formerly "ConSeal Private Desktop") (3
> > > recommendations) http://www.mcafee.com/
> > > BlackICE Defender (2 recommendations) http://www.networkice.com/
> > > WinRoute (1 recommendation) http://www.tinysoftware.com/
> > > CyberwallPLUS (1 recommendation) http://www.network-1.com/
> > > GNAT Box (1 recommendation) http://www.gnatbox.com/
> > > ConSeal PC Firewall (1 recommendation) http://www.consealfirewall.com/
> > >
> > > For the record, I was also pointed to Gibson Research
> > > (http://grc.com/default.htm) which has an online tool for testing how
> > secure
> > > your connection is, and describes a method for adding firewall-like
> > > protection
> > > to a Windows computer without actually installing a firewall; and I
> was
> > > reminded
> > > that VPNs and "insecure nodes" are a dangerous combination -- with
or
> > > without
> > > firewalls.
> > >
> > > Thanks again to everyone that responded!
> > >
> > > Brant
> > >
> > >
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