At 02:57 PM 10/31/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Truth is GIAC hasn't been around long enough to really establish its value
>in the industry. It takes awhile for certifications to get known. From
>what I hear the GIAC courses have good content and are well taught. The
>only negative I've heard is the cost.
This is what I have been stating for quite some time. I think SANS/GIAC
has quite a few iterations to go before it becomes as widely accepted as
the CISSP.
>As far as certification goes, well that's another topic. If I took these
>courses at a university and passed the exams, I'd get a grade and a
>degree. If I take these courses from SANS (or Microsoft or Novell) and
>pass the exams, I get a certification. What's the difference? None
>really, it just demonstrates that I've learn a sufficient number of facts
>to pass the exam. It does not demonstrate that I am a competent practitioner.
Yes, practical experience plus certification is a big bonus in some
employer's eyes, but being competent practictioner will place one in the
MAGE category.. :)
>Certification is suppose to guarantee something as meeting a standard
>(that's the meaning of the word). The assumption is that the standard
>mentioned here is the INDUSTRY standard and not the testing standard of
>the course designer or institution. Industry standards are set by the
>industry's professionals through job delineation studies, academic
>requirements and surveys. Industry standards are maintained by standards
>bodies and practitioners are measured against that standard to become
>certified professionals. The motive is to provide competent practitioners
>that can protect their organizations and the public.
>
>Vendor based certifications like the CNE, MCSE and GIAC are based on
>arbitrary standards set by the course designer or vendor. They are
>certifying themselves! The driving motive behind vendor certifications is
>profit, not competence. What doesn't mean that the courses and exams do
>not have value. They do have a great deal of value from a professional
>development standpoint. From a certification standpoint, I think they're
>bogus. They remind me of the ad, "Doctor how long have you been doing
>brain surgery? Well, actually I'm not a doctor, but I did stay at a
>Holiday Inn Express last night!"
>
>If you are interested in getting a certification based on industry
>standards consider the SSCP or CISSP from (ISC)2. www.isc2.org
The SSCP and CISSP needs to be re-aligned to allow for the changes in
technology instead of testing people on theory on their knowledge.
/m
>-- Bill Stackpole, CISSP
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>Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>10/31/00 07:15 AM
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> To: Andrew Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Slightly off topic - Value of SANS GIAC
> certification
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>
>andrew, all,
>
>actually, i have the same question, so maybe replies to the list would be
>appropriate. otherwise, andrew: could you summarize the replies you get?
>
>thanks,
>
>
>todd underwood
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Andrew Thomas wrote:
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> > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:48:25 +0200
> > From: Andrew Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Slightly off topic - Value of SANS GIAC certification
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd really appreciate it if people were willing to share their experiences
> > with the SANS GIAC certifications, as well as give their views of the value
> > of these in the market.
> >
> > Replies to private email please.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Andrew
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