We're in total agreement then.  I just wanted to clarify that the 
egress filtering by ISPs has to be at the end-user portions of their 
networks, not (necessarily) the exits from their networks at peering 
points.

David Gillett


On 10 Jun 2001, at 9:59, Paul D. Robertson wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >   Egress filtering at border points is appropriate for leaf networks. 
> 
> Which is exactly what I'm proposing.
> 
> >  Many ISPs, though, also ferry third-party traffic between their 
> > peering points; it would be inappropriate for them to accept traffic 
> > that an egress rule elsewhere will prevent them from delivering.
> 
> Egress rules don't prevent anything from being delivered if the egress is 
> legitimate.
> 
> >   This isn't to day that it can't or shouldn't be done, only that 
> > determining how much filtering should be done, and at which routers, 
> > may be less simple for multi-homed ISPs than it sounds.
> 
> Once again, I'm stressing that end-user network filtering be the
> major point of egress filtering, not ISP networks.
> 
> ISPs can do fairly easy filtering based on prefixes they transit or
> announce, but I agree with the contention that the aggragation of traffic
> is too much at those points to not affect performance by filtering in the 
> transit space. ISP's hosting networks should, of course employ egress
> filtering, but in that case, they're acting as a leaf node, not a transit
> entity.
> 
> Paul
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