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Asunto: Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle (msg. from Jacob Lee)
Fecha: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:49:20 +0200
De: Rafael Capurro <raf...@capurro.de>
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Para: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>,
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Dear Pedro,
remember also Ortega's famous essay "El origen deportivo del estado"
where he celebrates sport as a biological activity going beyond the
Darwinian perspective that looks at life from anutilitarian perspective
of adaptation and survival and compares it with the clown and the Greek
god Pan and his playful and luxurious cosmic activity. According to
Ortega, the evolutionary change from non-organized horde ("horda
informe") to tribal organization means giving primacy to the young men
who look for the women of other tribes and with it to war, discipline,
authority and ascetism ("askesis"=exercises and self-control). This
"young men club" is the origin of exogamy, war, autoritarian
organization, discipline, law, cultural association, dancing/carneval
and secret society! The origin of the state is neither the worker nor
the intellectual nor the priest nor the dealer but the lover, the
worrier and the sportsman. Social institutions as the "file" or the
"fratria" and the "hatairía" in Ancient Greece preceeded the
organization of the "polis" and are related to sport and war. Later in
the Roman society we get the corporation of the "salii" (meaning to
spring or dance) closely related to the god Mars, and the "con-sules" as
the ones who "dance together".
See also this short contribution by Tomás Bolano:
http://www.e-torredebabel.com/OrtegayGasset/Estudios/Bolano-ElDeporte-LujoVital.htm
And... yes, we need "social grooming" as a kind of non utilitarian and
luxurious activity probably also to de-stress the brain.
It is not clear to me when and why social complexity evolves into
chaotic complication blocking organic and social processes (such as a
foul in soccer etc.). I am sure that there are mathematical models for
this. Maybe sports and wars can be "explained" in an evolutionary way in
which humans look for forms or structures of "playing together". I know
that this terminology is morally (and socially) problematic.
best regards
Rafael
(msg. to FIS from Jacob Lee)
Richard Sipes' classic study found a direct correlation between
combative sports and violent or war-like societies:
SIPES, RICHARD G. 1973. War, Sports and Aggression: An Empirical Test of
Two Rival Theories . American Anthropologist 75, no. 1: 64-86.
doi:10.1525/aa.1973.75.1.02a00040.
Jacob
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At 08:12 PM 19/07/2010, Stanley N Salthe wrote:
Has anyone suggested the function of contact sports to be the 'moral
equivalent' of war. Many young men requires this kind of excitement
because of their hormone mix.
Apparently societies with less contact and competitve sports also
tend to be less violent. My source: E.O. Wilson, On Human Nature,
chapter on aggression. That doesn't defeat the connection of an
alternative, though, in constitutionally more violent societies.
John
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Stanley N Salthe escribió:
Has anyone suggested the function of contact sports to be the 'moral
equivalent' of war. Many young men requires this kind of excitement
because of their hormone mix.
STAN
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