dear Gordana
just because the bit-view of reality one possible view is. Otherwise
bits turns into digital metaphysics.
Floridi: he is contradictory. He says/said that the infosphere is not
the cybetspace, then yes, then no... Then he says that forms are on a
"higher level of abstraction" that bit-forms... which is what Plato
would say and said (but much better than Floridi), the digital
infosphere being only one possibility of forms, then he says...
best
Rafael
Dear all,
Regarding the very interesting discussion of "it" from "bit" and vice
versa.
Usually each level of information processing (semantic, algorithmic,
implementational) presupposes some "it" in which "bit" is implemented.
In computing, recursions must have a bottom.
Could it be the case that on the very fundamental level, "it" and
"bit" cannot be distinguished at all?
They simply are an "it-bit" like in Informational Structural Realism
of Floridi who (using different reasoning) argues that reality is an
informational structure.
Fluctuons being quantum-mechanical phenomena have already dual
wave-particle nature.
Why cannot they be "it-bit" as well?
Best,
Gordana
*From:* fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es
[mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Loet Leydesdorff
*Sent:* den 25 september 2010 10:48
*To:* 'Joseph Brenner'; 'Stanley N Salthe'; fis@listas.unizar.es
*Subject:* Re: [Fis] Revisiting the Fluctuon Model
Dear Joe,
Please let me start by repeating my idea that fluctuons are "its",
that is, energy in some form. If (mathematical) idealism is
anti-realist, this is certainly not what I would consider Conrad's
theory to be. Stan comes to the same conclusion, that fluctuons are
its, but this suggests to him a non-materialist conception of
information. This is a first place where something like another logic
is needed that can incorporate the material-energetic and non-material
aspects of information.
Can this issue not simply be solved by returning to Shannon's concept
of information. Bits of information are dimensionless. In S = k(B) H,
the Boltzmann constant provides the dimensionality.
One should not confuse this mathematical concept of information with
the biologically inspired concept of information as "a difference
which makes a difference" (Bateson). This is observed information by a
system which can provide meaning to the information.
I would not call this "anti-realist", but "anti-positivist". The
specification in the mathematical discourse remains res cogitans (as
different from res extensa). All of physics also has this
epistemological status. All other science, too, but sometimes
positivism is ideologically prevailing.
Best wishes,
Loet
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