Well then we totally agree on that. The second part of your response then, if some energy transduction has the properties of information flow where is it (what are these properties) and if it's there how do we measure it either qualitatively or qualitatively.
Because it looks like to me, any exchange language or otherwise is really only energy transduction albeit a mix of sight and sound (and the other senses) which is really shape and hues (both nouns) of different energy patterns. Which is really just the basis of scientific thought, made of patterns of energy. Spectrums, chromatography, etc No information here. Just energy patterns. Gavin Gavin, Everything is energy transduction, even your thinking. Some energy transduction has the properties of information flow, sensu Barwsie and Seligman, Information Flow: the Logic of Distributed Systems (Cambridge UP, 1997 or so). John At 01:05 AM 2011/03/28, Gavin Ritz wrote: I watched a BBC documentary on the weekend with a friend who recommended it. It was a really interesting and well presented programme. Some very far out stuff about the creation of life. However what I observed again (now more than ever before) that the DNA molecule is an information carrying molecule. Simple, all we have to do is decipher this information. Richard Dawkins also says this in a number of his publications. "living matter is just matter plus information" I'm no biologist or biochemist (I'm an engineer). There's something wrong here. Even at the most basic level of an organism's communication with its environment. There is no discernable information exchange. Every single one of our senses is an energy transduction structure-processing unit. All we do is transduce say light and sound energy to electrical energy. This much is pretty well established. Unless information is just a colloquial way of saying energy transduction (or conversion). I doubt this though; information seems to be containing much more than just this. It's almost as if commentators are saying behind all this energy (and conversions, and work) lies a new and more powerful notion. All of chemistry is the reaction of structures with other structures, there are no informational exchanges. If there are informational exchanges where is the science? I'm not talking about computing machines or old fashioned telephony (of-course we have created information here). These informational exchanges about organisms seemed to have crept into our thinking around the 1950's circa cybernetics. Prior to this very little on living organism and information exchange. Regards Gavin _______________________________________________ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis Professor John Collier, Acting HoS and Acting Deputy HoS colli...@ukzn.ac.za Philosophy and Ethics, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban 4041 South Africa T: +27 (31) 260 3248 / 260 2292 F: +27 (31) 260 3031 http://collier.ukzn.ac.za/ _______________________________________________ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
