On 11 Feb 2013, at 18:38, John Collier wrote: > I guess I am at a loss to see them as separate > discourses.
Me too. Actually I do not believe in something like *Science*. But I do believe in the human *scientific attitude*, and I have eventually realized that such attitude is totally domain independent. The scientific attitude is mainly a form of modesty, of acknowledgement that *all* theories are hypotheses, of making the statements as clear as possible, with the hope of seeing them refuted, etc. It is frequent that a scientist will have that attitude in his expertise field, but will lack all sense of it when speaking in another field. When I was young academical philosophy was marxism propaganda, in part, and by being labeled and categorized as literature, many philosophers indulge in the idolatry, and argument per authority. All the same for my favorite subject "theology", which today is put in opposition to rationalism, which of course leads to the perpetuation of irrationalism in theology, and this since about the closure of Plato academy. But that opposition does not just prevent the scientific attitude in theology, it makes some good science, like physics, into bad pseudo-theology, very often. I don't believe in Science, I believe in persons, and some persons can be serious or not in *any* domain. "Science" is never an answer per se, but a tool to attempt to put some light on the unknown. To oppose science, philosophy and theology leads to pseudo-theologies, pseudo-philosophies and pseudo-sciences. Of course, people have fears, and the pseudo-things can exploit the wishful thinking related to them to do more money than the modest attempt to get some genuine light and some genuine progresses in the *search*. In occident, I think that science has begun in -500 and ended in +500, when Plato Academy has been closed, and when all rationalist in the most fundamental questions have been either ignored, exiled, banished, or burned alive. The enlightening period was only partial, as we got most of all greek sciences, except theology, where humans still tolerate the dogmas, the fairy tales and the authoritative argument, instead of modesty, doubts and dialogs. Bruno > Especially in the domain of Information. > > Contrary to what Stan said, I think that many of > the major advances in science from Statistical > Mechanics, to Relativity Theory to Quantum > Mechanics did and continue to have a major > philosophical component, and professional > philosophers work with scientists directly in > each of these fields, It used to be true in > Computer Science, but is less so now. In > Cognitive Science there is currently virtually > now separation. In Biology there are many > philosophers who work with biologists, and vice > versa, but far too many who do not. > > I think that technology is much more linked to > industry than it is to the sciences above. > > John > > At 06:03 PM 2013/02/11, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: >> How does one measure the synergy among three discourses? >> That is an interesting question within information theory (as part >> of both >> science and philosophy). >> >> Best, >> Loet >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >> ] On >> Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:29 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An >> Alternative >> Relation] S.Brier >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An >> Alternative >> Relation >> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100 >> From: Søren Brier <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Pedro >> Clemente >> Marijuan Fernandez <[email protected]>, [email protected] >> <[email protected]>, John Collier <[email protected]> >> References: <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> >> Dear Joseph >> >> >> >> I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not >> independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and >> epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or >> "actual" >> depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain >> aspects >> of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy >> without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> >> Søren Brier >> >> >> >> Professor in the semiotics of information, cognition and >> commmunication >> science, >> >> department of International Business Communication, Copenhagen >> Business >> School, >> >> Dalgas Have 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Fra:* [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] *På vegne af *[email protected] >> *Sendt:* 7. februar 2013 17:37 >> *Til:* Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez; [email protected]; >> John Collier >> *Emne:* [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative >> Relation >> >> >> >> Dear FIS Colleagues, >> >> The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at >> the University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's >> note. >> It includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International >> Conference on the Philosophy of Information to be held in Xi'An, >> China >> in October, 2013, sponsored by both the above Society, led by >> Professor >> Luciano Floridi and the Institute for the Philosophy of Information >> in >> Xi'An under the direction of Professor Wu Kun. >> >> This increased activity in the area of the philosophy of information >> (another major Workshop is planned this Spring) raises the issue of >> the >> relation between the science and philosophy of information as well >> as of >> the philosophy of science. I am aware of and agree with the position >> expressed by Pedro that information science in the FIS framework >> should >> emphasize scientific research in the sense of knowledge that is >> quantifiable and/or provable. However, I do not believe that either >> he >> or others of you intend to exclude rigorous qualitative knowledge, >> especially as it concerns the dual nature of information. >> >> The ubiquitous presence of information in all disciplines, as >> emphasized >> by Wu, suggests an alternative relation linking philosophy, science >> and >> information that is NOT one of simple hierarchical inclusion or >> possession ("of"). One possibility is to say that it is information >> that >> links philosophy and science, but this formulation perhaps fails to >> recognize the general properties of the latter two. >> >> Another possibility is to say that each of the three nominally >> independent disciplines are not independent, but that each provides a >> dynamic ontological and epistemological link to the other two, more >> or >> less strong or "actual" depending on the extent to which one wishes >> to >> emphasize certain aspects of knowledge. >> >> I look forward to your comments regarding the pros and cons of such a >> conception. Thank you. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Joseph >> >> ----Ursprüngliche Nachricht---- >> Von: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Datum: 04.02.2013 18:57 >> An: "fis"<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Betreff: [Fis] Society for the Philosophy of Information >> >> http://www.socphilinfo.org/ >> >> >> ---------- >> Professor John Collier >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Philosophy and Ethics, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban 4041 >> South Africa >> T: +27 (31) 260 3248 / 260 2292 F: +27 (31) 260 3031 >> <http://web.ncf.ca/collier>http://web.ncf<http://web.ncf.ca/ >> collier>.ca/coll >> ier >> <http://web.ncf%3chttp:/web.ncf.ca/collier%3e.ca/collier> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fis mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Pedro C. 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