On 27 May 2013, at 08:08, John Collier wrote: > Another vapid criticism with no argument. Give me an idea, Jerry, > give me an idea. You obviously think I don't have it, so it would be > rude of you to just say this sort of thing and refrain. List some > things that are involved with metaphysics that I have missed. > > Otherwise I will have to assume that you cannot do this.
Indeed, there is nothing metaphysical about this. It is a theorem in applied science (the step 8 of the Universal Dovetailer Argument has to use a bit of Occam razor). If we are machine, the physical reality is a statistical appearance, resulting from information selection among multiple computations which can be proved to be emulated (not just described) in arithmetic. This can already be used to explain some weird aspect of nature (the quantum). Some people tend to dismiss this without studying the (mind-body) problem. This is a quasi tradition since Aristotle, but it is not science. With Mechanism, we can attribute a subject to some object, but we cannot attribute one object to one subject, only an infinity of objects. We can already confirm that aspect when looking close to any piece of matter. The self-multiplication of machines, explains the origin of information, from the machines (or relative numbers) points of view. Elementary computer science shows the very rich structure that the universal machine are forced to put on that information. This makes also the mechanist or computationalist hypothesis testable (and already partially tested). Bruno > > John > > At 05:27 AM 2013/05/27, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: > >> On May 26, 2013, at 10:46 AM, John Collier wrote: >> >>> I don't have much idea. >> >> >> I concur. >> >> Jerry > > > ---------- > Professor John Collier [email protected] > Philosophy and Ethics, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban 4041 > South Africa > T: +27 (31) 260 3248 / 260 2292 F: +27 (31) 260 3031 > Http://web.ncf.ca/collier > > _______________________________________________ > fis mailing list > [email protected] > https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ _______________________________________________ fis mailing list [email protected] https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
