On 15 Oct 2013, at 14:32, Karl Javorszky wrote:
Cointinuing Bob's discourse on language and words, the next step was
done by Wittgenstein, who said that as tokens, words can be
represented by numbers. This is a resurrecting of Pythagoras'
statement, that Nature is representable by natural numbers and their
harmonies.
It is important to keep in mind that numbers have as many
interrelationships among each other as words - if not more. And, by
the use of computers, we can make their harmonies among each other
visible to the human. The inner poetry of words that is behind the
words themselves, can be found in the relations among the natural
numbers.
Karl
Numbers are important, but any Turing universal system will do, if we
assume computationalism (my consciousness is invariant for a digital
substitution of my body/brain).
People can look in my URL(*) for papers showing that IF we assume
computationalism (a thesis in in cognitive science), then the physical
reality (and more than that: a whole theology actually) 1) emerge from
arithmetical relations, and 2) cannot be the result of computations
(so it emerges in a necessarily non computable way).
It can be seen as a return to Pythagorus, as far as the fundamental
ontology is concerned, but physics happen to be an inside (projective,
and statistical) view of arithmetic, and the math shows it to be non
computable.
This shows that computationalism is incompatible with the thesis of
digital physics (the thesis asserting that there is a primary physical
and that it is digital).
Note that the proof is constructive, and so it shows how to derive the
physical laws from addition and multiplication of natural numbers.
Some familiarity with logic is needed.
Bruno
(*) see for example:
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html
2013/10/15 Bob Logan <[email protected]>
Thanks John for alerting us to the terms praxotype and cognotyppe. I
have a simpler formula which I made use of in my book the Extended
Mind: The Emergence of Language, the Human Mind and Culture. Words
are simply concepts and hence thinking tools. Before verbal language
hominids communicated by mimesis, i.e. hand signals, facial
gestures, body language and prosody (non-verbal vocalization) like
grunts. As the complexity of hominid existence increased mimesis did
not have the requisite variety for everyday life. Conceptualization
was needed. Verbal language emerged in which our words were our
first concepts. The word water, for example, was a concept that
united all our percepts of the water we drank, washed with, cooked
with, fell as rain, or was found in rivers, lakes or the sea. With
language the brain which before was a percept engine bifurcated into
the human mind capable of conceptualization and hence planning and
large scale coordination. Verbal language allowed us to deal with
matters not immediately available in space and time. I claim that
the emergence of verbal language represented three simultaneous
bifurcations: from mimetic communication to verbal langauge; from
the brain as a percept engine to the mind capable of
conceptualization and from hominids to fully human Homo Sapiens.
for more details visit
http://www.academia.edu/783502/The_extended_mind_understanding_language_and_thought_in_terms_of_complexity_and_chaos_theory
or
http://www.academia.edu/783504/The_extended_mind_The_emergence_of_language_the_human_mind_and_culture
cheers - Bob Logan
On 2013-10-15, at 2:54 AM, John Collier wrote:
This term might be useful in the context of the present discussion,
especially in the contest of coordinated practice(s). Cognotype
might also be useful. I think these might lead to a more fine-
grained analysis of the more integrative sociotype.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2013/09/27/words-are-thinking-tools-praxotype/
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