Dear Joseph and FIS, Let me add that this forward-backward duality has been introduced to philosophy by Heraclit with his "upoward and downward flow". ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclitus#Panta_rhei.2C_.22everything_flows.22 ).
The concept has a solid and robust definition under the name of "chains". The concept can also be visualised as convoy, goods in transit, string, filament, force line, probability density path, and the like. The idea as accessible via natural numbers links those elements of a collection that are connected by the necessities of changing places. The chains may include spatial reference points, also, allowing for solid bodies, fluids and gases to exist. The idea transcends, however, its spatially realisable manifestations. In dependence of which order is assumed (is the case), the expectations are different, as are the experiences. This is Joseph's session, so I don't want to sermonise about natural numbers and order. The main point is, that Joseph's assertion of anticipated realities that are also a part of the past and of the presence, are well supported by the numbers. This is a solid, communicable concept. There are tools to show the consistency of the idea, linking it to axioms of logic and arithmetic. Karl 2014-02-12 12:41 GMT+01:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es>: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fw: Feedforward II and Anticipation > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:20:01 +0100 > From: Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch> > Reply-To: Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch> > To: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> > > > > > Dear FISers, > > This subject was introduced late last year by Bob Logan with reference > to his draft paper entitled "Feedforward, I. A. Richards, Cybernetics > and Marshall McLuhan". I feel feedforward deserves more then the limited > discussion it received because it embodies, rather visibly, dualistic > process aspects of both information transfer/communication and the > distinctly human cognitive process of anticipation. First, just three > points about feedforward to remind ourselves of its characteristics: > > 1. Feedforward is anticipatory control, the reciprocal of feedback. > 2. Feedforward transfers context as well as content. > 3. Both feedforward and feedback are 'circular'. > > Second, I make the claim, for discussion purposes, that my logic of > energy, Logic in Reality (LIR), provides a somewhat more rigorous basis > for discussion and clarification of the dialectics of feedforward, > better, of feedforward and feedback. This means that in all complex > biological/living systems, feedforward is always accompanied by > feedback. In particular, LIR replaces the unworkable concept of > circularity by saw-tooth or spiral evolution. > > Third, it provides interpretations for McLuhan's concept of probes for > studying media, quoted by Bob: > > 1. Figure/ground: partial simultaneous instantiation of the elements of > figure/ground dichotomies. LIR supports Deacon's view here. > 2. Meaning determined by context plus experience. > 3. A basis for reversal of standard cause effect; effects as a form for > feedforward leading to new causes. > > My vision of feedforward and feedback is thus as non-separable > attributes of living biological and cognitive systems, one or the other > of the above dynamically interacting pairs predominantly actualized or > potentialized as the case may be, alternately and reciprocally. In LIR, > the potentialities of a process are available to consciousness, only > more vaguely than what is usually referred to as 'knowledge'. The > experience of potentialities is to all intents and purposes equivalent > to anticipation of them. > > I have analyzed elsewhere the approach to anticipation of Daniel Dubois, > with whom Loet has also worked, referring to Robert Rosen. I found I > could differentiate between his and my perspective as follows: > > > - Dubois: anticipation is the potential future value of a system's > variables > > - LIR: anticipation is the current potential value of a system's variables > > > In conclusion, and in anticipation (;-) of Loet's constructive comments, > I re-emphasize that as far as I am concerned, both analytical and > energetic perspectives are necessary for an adequate picture of > feedforward outside purely electro-mechanical control systems. I look > forward to further discussion of the issues just touched upon above. > > Best wishes, > > Joseph > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------- > Pedro C. Marijuán > Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group > Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud > Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA) > Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X > 50009 Zaragoza, Spain > Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818) > pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es > http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ > ------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > fis mailing list > fis@listas.unizar.es > https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >
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