Dear Andrew and Alexander: I thought you might be interesting in the enclosed preprint.Heavy objections would be especially welcome. Take care,Otto http://environmental-safety.webs.com/Deterministic_Thermo_Cryo.pdf From: Andrew Fingelkurts / BM-Science <andrew.fingelku...@bm-science.com> To: 'Diego Lucio Rapoport' <diego.rapop...@gmail.com>; online_sadhu_sa...@googlegroups.com; squ...@gotsky.com; 'Jeremy Dunning-Davies' <j.dunning-dav...@hull.ac.uk> Cc: 'fis' <fis@listas.unizar.es>; bjf...@sciences.demon.co.uk; cont...@howgravityworks.org Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] [Sadhu Sanga] Physics hype ... #yiv7640747892 #yiv7640747892 -- _filtered #yiv7640747892 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7640747892 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7640747892 {font-family:Cambria;panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7640747892 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7640747892 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7640747892 {font-family:timesnewromanpsmt;} _filtered #yiv7640747892 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv7640747892 #yiv7640747892 p.yiv7640747892MsoNormal, #yiv7640747892 li.yiv7640747892MsoNormal, #yiv7640747892 div.yiv7640747892MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv7640747892 h2 {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:18.0pt;font-weight:bold;}#yiv7640747892 a:link, #yiv7640747892 span.yiv7640747892MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7640747892 a:visited, #yiv7640747892 span.yiv7640747892MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7640747892 p {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv7640747892 p.yiv7640747892MsoAcetate, #yiv7640747892 li.yiv7640747892MsoAcetate, #yiv7640747892 div.yiv7640747892MsoAcetate {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv7640747892 span.yiv7640747892Heading2Char {color:#4F81BD;font-weight:bold;}#yiv7640747892 span.yiv7640747892BalloonTextChar {}#yiv7640747892 span.yiv7640747892gmail-m-3111890092566990028m-3334529888806427818m-7548684774114207021apple-converted-space {}#yiv7640747892 span.yiv7640747892EmailStyle22 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv7640747892 span.yiv7640747892EmailStyle23 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv7640747892 .yiv7640747892MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv7640747892 {margin:2.0cm 42.5pt 2.0cm 3.0cm;}#yiv7640747892 div.yiv7640747892WordSection1 {}#yiv7640747892 Dear All, In relation to the below mentioned “any non-linear thermodynamical system actually increases to develop a singularity which is followedby the reorganization of the system through negative entropy, following the destruction of the system in its previous form” we would like to comment that exactly the same principle is observed in the nested hierarchy of the brain electromagnetic field that supports the nested hierarchy of mentality and consciousness in particular (for a complete description and discussion, please see http://www.bm-science.com/team/art76.pdf) Greetings,Andrew and Alexander From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Diego Lucio Rapoport Sent: Monday, 23 January, 2017 05:28 To: online_sadhu_sa...@googlegroups.com; squ...@gotsky.com; Jeremy Dunning-Davies Cc: fis; bjf...@sciences.demon.co.uk; cont...@howgravityworks.org Subject: Re: [Fis] [Sadhu Sanga] Physics hype ... Dear ColleaguesReturning to the issue discussed by Dr Rich Norman of the validity of the second law of thermodynamics in relation to biology where negative entropy drivessystems to self-organize, I would like to comment that any non-linear thermodynamical system actually increases to develop a singularity which is followedby the reorganization of the system through negative entropy, following the destruction of the system in its previous form. This is related to the non-orientability -say Mobius strip- of the compactified complex number system as discussed in https://www.academia.edu/30485983/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_Self-reference_Heterarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_Evolution._Part_I_Morphomechanics_Space_and_Time_in_Biology_and_Physics_Cognition_Non-Linearity_and_the_Structure_of_Uncertaintyand the implications to chemistry, biology, cognition, metamathematics, genomics and evolution are discussed in https://www.academia.edu/30546256/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_Self-reference_Heterarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_Evolution._Part_II_Non-orientability_Cognition_Chemical_Topology_and_Eversions_in_Nature
https://www.academia.edu/30518156/Klein_Bottle_Logophysics_Self-reference_Heterarchies_Genomic_Topologies_Harmonics_and_Evolution._Part_III_The_Klein_Bottle_Logic_of_Genomics_and_its_Dynamics_Quantum_Information_Complexity_and_Palindromic_Repeats_in_EvolutionBest regardsDiego Rapoport w). Thank you for starting this topic, Dr. Ford. Your piece is correct by my estimation, and fits quite exactly with many statements in our new book. [Are you familiar with Bechamp?…that chalk sir! You may request a paper which makes tangible use of physics within cell biology. Those were stunning images in your paper.] There is a great deal of this rot in physics and cosmology. Before I begin a new thread concerning causality, I must add my sad approval to the exhausted refrain below, which did not offend me in any way. The situation in my broken country and the world inspires such painful honesty. I will put a link to a paper concerning gravitation which is in keeping, added below the following comment by Eric Sabo, and then a possible explanation. “At CERN and Fermilab, no two collisions are exactly the same.Their efforts are a waste of time as any particles they create only last nanoseconds and then they "evaporate". The really odd thing is not one physicist at those facilities ever ask "Where did they evaporate to?"...(The only logical answer is, back to the Aether.) It's just a jobs program for physicists. What's really odd is they pat themselves on the backs and hand out Nobel Prizes for their efforts.I see the real benefit of those projects is that it's all good magnet R&D...... (For future Antimatter Containment) . . . .Residing in the urban environment give me the impression that the stupid people have propagated out of control.And, every one of them has the right to exist..... and vote!....... (There's no hope for Humanity.)” You sir, are right! https://www.researchgate.net/publication/310845151_Practical_and_theoretical_assessment_of_relativistic_theory_v_2?ev=prf_pub I have just completed a book detailing a great deal of this kind of thing. A LONG book, gentlemen! Science hype, and deception. Just look at all that overstatement and deception. Have you read the papers debunking LIGO? Here is our new book Beyond the Veil: Deception, truth and the hidden promise of science. https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Veil-Deception-Thoughts-Conventional/dp/1541117409/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1483385806&sr=1-1 Here is a new thought for you: Does the second law of thermodynamics imply by necessity the social turbulence we see all around us? The answer is no, entropy increase itself does not imply social discord as a necessary consequence. Biological life is itself an expression of negative entropy, an exporting of entropy in order to sustain itself and its organized processes. The biology should by multiplicative extension increase negative entropy through numerical increase. I will speculate to explain the effects witnessed: The effect we see, the social horror then, I will hypothesize is a function of the lack of emergent intelligence from the new larger system. Instead of a healthy intra-connected single human system, as analogously in the case of a mat of bacteria relating to its cohabited environment, the connection between the microorganisms fostering a cooperative intelligence to emerge which guides proliferation and development, a function terminated with interrupted intra-connectivity, our race is set against itself, the single system broken apart, our unconscious connectivity in my estimation has been shut off: we compete at every turn, and our mental topography has removed the inner means to support the healthy effect! I believe, the paper linked below contains the answer. To have altered the aspects in this document, has changed my ‘luck.’ My entire world seems effortless and on track. I believe, the loss of identifications with the world and our fellow humans is the cause of the discord. Theoretically, as a mat of bacteria, we should operate in cooperative mutual adjustment with the other organisms which share our environment…I hypothesize: but for this. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309566203_Super-ego_and_the_neuroscience_of_empathy_from_unconscious_wish_to_manifest_behavior--a_new_human_model Thank you for all this new thinking. The recent email from John Kineman was simply excellent. I will begin a thread later on related topics. Thank you, Rich NormanJournal of Unconscious Psychologywww.mindmagazine.nethttp://squa62.wix.com/future-life-net On Jan 11, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Prof. Brian J Ford <bjf...@sciences.demon.co.uk> wrote: The extraordinary hyperbole surrounding theoretical physics and cosmology is disproportionate in comparison with sciences with which people should be familiar; I have addressed this in a shortly published article (attached, and in confidence). There are strong resonances with the mythical world of Jonathan Swift in all this. On the safety of nuclear explosions, although the atomic bomb's capacity for destruction was less than some had predicted, bear in mind (as I have discussed in a recent book) that the Little Boy bomb dropped on Hiroshima contained 59 kg U235, of which only 600 mg was released as thermal energy. Had it all been converted, as some were anticipating, it would have been 100,000 times as powerful. Best wishesBrian J Ford Cambridge UK ----- Original Message ----- From: contact@howgravityworks.orgTo: Online_Sadhu_Sanga@googlegroups.comSent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:06 AMSubject: RE: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego My apologies if I have offended anyone. It's just sometimes I think that I am really tired of everything.(Especially the recent US election.)Thank you again. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego From: "'BMP' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M. Puri Maharaja, Ph.D." <online_sadhu_sa...@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, January 09, 2017 6:25 am To: "online_sadhu_sa...@googlegroups.com" <online_sadhu_sa...@googlegroups.com>Thank you, Eric for your intelligent if brutal honesty. Bhakti Madhava Puri, Ph.D.BHAKTI VEDANTA INSTITUTE – of Spiritual Culture & Science | | | BHAKTI VEDANTA INSTITUTE – of Spiritual Culture & Science | | | Visit us on Facebook | | | Security Check Required | | | From: "cont...@howgravityworks.org" <cont...@howgravityworks.org> To: online_sadhu_sa...@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 5:01 AM Subject: RE: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego Good answer. What really disturbs me is the ability of the individual to construct a reality for themselvesthat is based in no factual evidence at all. What's even more disturbing is the will of some to impose theirreality on others even though the imposer knows that the reality they are imposing is false. An ignorant or illiterate can also create a false reality and impose it on others if they have a strong enoughpersonality and that is even more disturbing. Perhaps that is the true reason for Sharia Law to exist.It would appear to be a unifying set of rules that unites and controls an otherwise barbaric and chaoticmass of ignorant people that would be without discipline without it. My reality is the universe is dynamical chaos that manages to fall within parameter. For example;All Oak trees are Oaks yet, no two are ever the exactly same. No two Vidalia onions are exactly the same.No two stars are exactly the same. At CERN and Fermilab, no two collisions are exactly the same.Their efforts are a waste of time as any particles they create only last nanoseconds and then they "evaporate". The really odd thing is not one physicist at those facilities ever ask "Where did they evaporate to?"...(The only logical answer is, back to the Aether.) It's just a jobs program for physicists. What's really odd is they pat themselves on the backs and hand out Nobel Prizes for their efforts.I see the real benefit of those projects is that it's all good magnet R&D...... (For future Antimatter Containment) We probably shouldn't be upset about anything. Sometimes I consider that I am the only entity in existenceand that everything and everyone in my reality is a construct for my amusement. (Or torture lately..... LOL)(You can't enjoy the good times without a little bad.) Residing in the urban environment give me the impression that the stupid people have propagated out of control.And, every one of them has the right to exist..... and vote!....... (There's no hope for Humanity.) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Sadhu Sanga] Re: The False Elephant and the False Ego From: "'BMP' via Sadhu-Sanga Under the holy association of Spd. B.M. Puri Maharaja, Ph.D." <online_sadhu_sa...@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, January 06, 2017 9:18 am To: Online Sadhu Sanga <online_sadhu_sa...@googlegroups.com>On Jan 4 2017 cont...@howgravityworks.org wrote: > "The reality we accept is a human construct.”(Deepak Chopra) >I have observed that people do indeed create their own reality. Some even are able to alter >others reality by their mere physical presence. The problem I have with all of it is, all >their realities would seem to be false. REPLY This seems to be as concise an assessment of the situation as any already presented. It is reasonable to say that individuals may have different interpretations of reality, but in itself Reality is not simply a matter of being a human construct or there would be no meaning to 'error,' 'mistake,' 'illusion,' and so on. Indeed there would be no meaning to 'truth' as opposed to untruth. Human consciousness is limited to its body. An individual is conscious only to the limits of its skin or surface. One may see a tree, or a star, or a bat - but that same individual cannot know or be conscious of what it is like to be a bat, as one recent American philosopher, Thomas Nagel, famously announced in The Philosophical Review in October 1974. A human being has direct consciousness of its body and of its thoughts, but beyond that it has only representations (signs), images, or reflections (on the mind's mirror) of the world outside its body. Human consciousness is therefore NOT the consciousness of trees, stars, bats, or anything else. It is conscious of other things beyond its body, but not the consciousness of those things. However, there is a consciousness of both individual human consciousness and the other things/persons of which an individual may be conscious. That universal consciousness is not only the consciousness of all Reality but also the consciousness of itself, i.e. it is self-consciousness in and for Itself. This universal self-consciousness is identical with itself as Reality, since Reality is the manifestation or expression of itself as real (being-for-other, or Otherness), while not losing its being-for-itself or self-consciousness as its ideality or Self-Concept. Here we find the true dynamic meaning of Advaita (non-duality), or the negation of dvaita (duality). Reality as the Otherness of Universal Self-consciousness is simultaneously Other (different from) yet identical (same as) universal Self consciousness being the manifest determinateness of what Self-consciousness is. To strip Universal Self-consciousness of its Reality is to abstract consciousness from its concrete Truth as Self-consciousness of Itself. In other words, it is to end up with a one-sided mental abstraction from the concrete or whole truth. There are two mistakes here: 1. not only is Universal Self-consciousness abstracted from Its own Reality, but 2. Self-consciousness is naievly reduced to consciousness which lacks the integral unity essential to it (the Self or true Ego) - what Kant called the unity of apperception. These mistakes are the result of relying on contingent irrational intuitions (instincts) without proper philosophical study or knowledge of the logical necessity that governs the internal rationality of all thought sequences or movement. Philosophers of Spirit have studied and reached rational conclusions on the nature of consciousness and its ground in Spirit. Those who ignore that body of knowledge are illiterate and can only be victimized by their own conditioned instincts. That is not how human knowledge or science advances. When an image is reflected in a mirror, the image is not considered to be the result of glass and silver of the mirror somehow acting to create the image. The image has its orgin outside of the mirror and is made of completely different stuff. A tree reflected in a lake is not made of water. A radio playing back a broadcast it has received is not producing the broadcast from itself. Each of these examples provide metaphors for how to understand the difference between a reality outside of human consciousness can be reflected within an individual's consciousness without being the product of that consciousness. At the same time Reality is not fixed in stone; it is not an inert slab or impersonal substance. It does not exist only as a reflection within human consciousness, nor as a product of human consciousness. Such ideas do not pass the examination of rational thought. The idea that Reality is Self-conscious Thinking Being in and for itself [Spirit/God] does not suffer that defect. An individual is a finite moment or instantiation of Living Reality that reflects that Reality immanently within its infinitesimal self and can interpret or misinterpret it according to the extent of its knowledge and wisdom. Sincerely,Bhakti Madhava Puri, Ph.D.http://bviscs.org | | | BHAKTI VEDANTA INSTITUTE – of Spiritual Culture & Science | | | Visit us on Facebook ========================Original message appears in Sadhu sanga digest for Jan 3 - 4 contact (cont...@howgravityworks.org) Jan 4 "The reality we accept is a human construct.”(Deepak Chopra) I have observed that people do indeed create their own reality. Some even are able to alter others reality by their mere physical presence. The problem I have with all of it is, all their realities would seem to be false. Being an electrical contractor my entire working life, I have observed the following scenario; I am working in a large commercial building with a thousand people sitting in cubicles with phones and computers.There's everyone from CEO to janitor working there also. Suddenly, "Boom" the electricity for the entire building goes out.Until I can rush to the main distribution switchgear and restore power, they all become totally useless. If the power went out permanently, they would all be sitting around candles chanting "Nam myoho renge kyo". It's actually a frightening scenario to me. 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