Happy New Year to all of you, all the best wishes for 2012!
May the world remain intact, and Flash replace HTML5 as the new web standard ;-)

Karina



On 31 Dec 2011, at 12:31, Karl DeSaulniers <[email protected]> wrote:

> Actually that JS, man, she has some pretty nice curves.. (wink)
> 
> Me personally, I like HTML + XML + JS + PHP + Flash.
> They REALLY know how to party together.. :) And when the mood is right they 
> put on a spectacular show!
> Just watch out for XML, she likes to tie you up. ;) and well.. you know, 
> Flash gots' all the toys.
> After a few go-arounds with any of them and they tell you all their secrets. 
> (But keep that on the hush hush.. =)
> You can never have too many Codewatch Babes in your bungalow.. you never know 
> when one will up and leave... ;)
> 
> Make it a real one people!
> THANK YOU ALL for all your help this last year..
> See you on the other side.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
> On Dec 31, 2011, at 5:59 AM, Peter Ginneberge wrote:
> 
>>> With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another 
>>> programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by learning something 
>>> new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on 
>>> Flash and I do not want to!
>> 
>> I understand what you're saying.
>> When I started learning Java (not so very long ago) I got frustrated by the 
>> mess that is JSP and Servlets.
>> That is why I'm so glad I finally found something like GWT to make web apps 
>> more or less the way I'm used to in Flex (I stopped using Flash around v8).
>> Meaning, OOP, MVP, etc..
>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideMvpActivitiesAndPlaces.html
>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architecture.html
>> 
>> If you look at this project structure: 
>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/images/contacts-project-hierarchy.png
>> That's almost exactly what it would look like in Flex when using Cairngorm 
>> for instance, but without the Command pattern.
>> There's libraries out there that do have a Command implementation.
>> 
>> And with GWT you can use a declarative xml like structure for layout, close 
>> to Flex' MXML:
>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideUiBinder.html
>> 
>>> So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
>>> Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
>>> What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 
>>> (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you can export to 
>>> iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the 
>>> developing process is faster than any other thing done in another 
>>> programming language?
>>> 
>> 
>> I hear ya !
>> I just love Flex, I really do. The thing is, in a few years time (I'm 
>> guessing) plugins will be a thing of the past.
>> Windows 8 is already moving in that direction. So it will simply be a matter 
>> of: "we don't have a choice."
>> 
>> I mentioned this on FlexCoders already. If Adobe - moving away from the 
>> Flash plugin - would make FlashBuilder into something that spits out HTML/JS 
>> web apps much like GWT now does with Java, I'd be all over it. And I'm sure 
>> I'm not the only one :)
>> 
>> The power and beauty of ActionScript+MXML to build the apps we're used to 
>> and not having to touch the ugliness that is JS/HTML.
>> That'd be my wish for 2012 :)
>> 
>> regards,
>> Muzak
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ima Newsletta" 
>> <[email protected]>
>> To: "Flash Coders List" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick
>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks Muzak,
>>> Very interesting links!
>>> 
>>> However I said "easily" :-)
>>> With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another 
>>> programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by learning something 
>>> new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on 
>>> Flash and I do not want to!
>>> 
>>> In some time, performance won't be a trouble at all seen the power of the 
>>> new devices.
>>> 
>>> So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
>>> Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
>>> What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 
>>> (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you can export to 
>>> iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the 
>>> developing process is faster than any other thing done in another 
>>> programming language?
>>> 
>>> So right now, I stay with Flash.
>>> 
>>> Happy new year to everyone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Il 31/12/2011 03:27, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:
>>>> Sorry for the late reply..
>>>> 
>>>>> With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps, android 
>>>>> apps and ios apps?
>>>> 
>>>> Yup, except for desktop.
>>>> 
>>>> Once compiled, they're plain HTML/JS apps.
>>>> Mind you, I haven't done any Android and/or iOS apps  with GWT yet.
>>>> 
>>>> Just goodle "GTW ios" for instance and you'll find the stuff you need.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's a "how-to" - note the date --> 2007.
>>>> http://code.google.com/intl/en/webtoolkit/articles/gwt-iphone.html
>>>> The article is for GWT 1.4. The current version is 2.4 and alot has 
>>>> changed (improved) since then.
>>>> 
>>>> And there's all sorts of additional libraries available for all kinds of 
>>>> development.
>>>> Smart GWT: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/
>>>> GWT Mobile: http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mobile-webkit/
>>>> Ext GWT: http://www.sencha.com/products/extgwt/
>>>> etc..
>>>> 
>>>> As for desktop apps, you could wrap your GWT with AIR :)
>>>> 
>>>> regards,
>>>> Muzak
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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