Hiya,
Great work to you and Kevin. I'm writing a little tutorial about my solution
which I intend to place on my blog as soon as it's done. The version
detection was the last bit that I wanted to get sorted first, and it seems
to be working like a charm.
Regarding the display:none issue - I've changed my code from visibility to
display and noticed an interesting thing. Some background first:
I'm using a standards compatible version of the object tag:
<object data="flash/home.swf"
type="application/x-shockwave-flash"
codebase="http://www.neo-archaic.net";
width="620"
height="350">
<param name="movie" value="flash/home.swf" />
<param name="menu" value="false" />
<param name="wmode" value="transparent" />
<param name="quality" value="best" />
<p>Alternative content if flash is not present</p>
</object>
This works well on both ie and Mozilla based browsers without needing to use
the embed tag. The downside is that the movie waits until it's loaded before
it starts to play. On IE this results in a placeholder showing up briefly
before the content is loaded.
When I use the visibility:hidden style with the replaceFlash script and
reload the page locally, I don't see the placeholder because it disappears
before the content is replaced (the original object having loaded by then).
But when I change it to the display:none style, it appears again before the
movie starts playing.
This could mean that display:none does prevent the flash from loading after
all!
What do you think?
Karina
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elibol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 April 2006 19:18
> To: Flashcoders mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
>
> Hi Karina,
>
> Kevin Newman deserves the credit, I've just written some of
> the code. Great work though, I'm very happy to have a little
> team working on this problem now. I'm sure we will solve it
> soon enough.
>
> I think Geoff mentioned that display:none does not prevent
> the object from loading, Ryan further validates this by
> giving us a clear idea of how html documents function, so, we
> should continue under the assumption that if the object is
> defined in the original document then it will always load.
>
> M.
>
> On 4/21/06, Karina Steffens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm... I'm not sure if you can do that, but what about using an
> > intermediate stub? Then you could communicate with and tell
> it when to
> > load the main content. This might even work automatically,
> with one of
> > the object replacement techniques.
> >
> > Or... Here's a thought - what if the style for the object
> starts with
> > display:none for the object, and then changes to display:block when
> > the page has loaded. display: none removes the element from the
> > document's flow, while visibility:hidden simply makes it
> invisible. Do
> > you think this might do the trick?
> >
> > Karina
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 21 April 2006 18:48
> > > To: Flashcoders mailing list
> > > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] New wrinkle in IE activation issue...
> > >
> > > Sorry to reply to myself, but I was thinking that if it
> is possible
> > > to detect when an object is added to the dom tree, then I
> could just
> > > replace the object before it gets a chance to load, so I guess I
> > > wouldn't need to disable it. So now I guess the question
> is if it is
> > > possible to detect when an object is added...
> > >
> > > Kevin N.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kevin Newman wrote:
> > > > Well yeah, that's what I would usually do, but that doesn't
> > > solve the
> > > > specific problem I'm looking to solve here (I'm not
> > > concerned with the
> > > > merits of this solution, I really just want to see if I
> can make
> > > > it work).
> > > >
> > > > If I could figure out how to detect when a new object
> tag has been
> > > > added to the dom (I have some ideas, but have not tested
> > > them), then
> > > > use some method call to disable it completely, I'd be
> > > satisfied with
> > > > that. There is a disabled property, but I don't think
> that stops
> > > > it from loading, I think that just stops the interactivity - is
> > > > that correct? If so, does anyone know of a way to
> completely turn
> > > > off an embedded object in IE?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Kevin N.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ryanm wrote:
> > > >>> Do you happen to know of any way to either stop a loading
> > > activex or
> > > >>> to prevent it from loading?
> > > >>>
> > > >> Yes, don't write it to the page until you are ready
> for it to
> > > >> load. HTML is stateless, it's either there or it
> isn't. If it's
> > > >> there, it will load, if it's not, it won't. Use DHTML to
> > > add the tag
> > > >> to the page when you are ready for it to start loading.
> > > >>
> > > >> ryanm
> > >
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