I'll second that - people think of Flash mostly used in the public space, but forget about us behind the firewall uses - like in Education/Training/Simulation industry that I work in.
jQuery also just doesn't feel very OOP-like - even if it has some aspects of it. I don't doubt capabilities, but it feels a little kludgy and hackish, despite it's power. Doesn't mean I wouldn't use it though when the situation called for it. I'm more interested in learning Java or C# and exporting to JS/HTML solutions just for the pure sake of staying in a real OOP coding environment. Jason Merrill Instructional Technology Architect II Bank of America Global Learning _______________________ -----Original Message----- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Ktu Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 5:05 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] UI Black Box..,? if i am not mistaken, jQuery is a framework that makes working with html tags easier. but you are still stuck with using those tags. its not a matter of 'can you do it with this language', its a matter of 'what control do i have'. i have always felt that as a developer, you have less control over how html works, than how flash works. there are greater and deeper black boxes in html. i just don't see why people like working in html at all. they took a markup language, designed to be static and Frankenstein-ed it with javascript and css to compensate where they should have attempted to create something new. i don't think the future is bleak at all either. in fact, i think that flash might end up being used more and more for tools, education, and visualization. but that's what i am using it for and i am a bit out of touch with what everyone else is doing. are there ways that i could effectively create my own 'tag' with its own attributes and events and use that in lieu of a natvie html tag? On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Karl DeSaulniers <k...@designdrumm.com>wrote: > One word.. jQuery. > > In my option it is the next best thing to flash. > I have been able to recreate most, if not all of my flash pieces with it. > > <body> is your canvas. (NOT a reference to HTML5 BTW, think artist > canvas > =) > <DIV> is your friend. Call it your MovieClip. > <p> is a helper when layout has text. > if your daring enough to learn the proper way to use it, <table>, <tr> > and the good ol <td> can make a sound foundation. > (Not the going consensus though, I just know how to use them properly. > most people like to use a table-less design and thats just <DIV>s > galore with CSS.) > > jQuery can create any element you want on the fly (Not sure about the > HTML tag though, never tried. I use php to create any new HTML) and > manipulate it (in some > cases) > better than flash and an MC. jQuery has not been a memory hoooooogggg > like flash was for me and like I said, I have recreated most of what I > did with flash. > > Just a very small run-down an there is A LOT more I have not touched > on that you can utilize. > The future is not so bleak, IMO. > > I just assume let Adobe burry Flash if this is the effort they would > put towards it. > I learned Flash much like you. I hated the limitations of HTML. > Saw flash and asked, why can't HTML do this stuff?? > Well now it can, or I should say, it kind-of always could, > > I just didn't know Javascript and CSS... > > HTH, > > Best, > Karl > > PS: Flash still is my love, but she's left me to figure out who she > is. I wait with baited breath... > > On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Ktu wrote: > > *preamble:* >> >> a recent thread got me thinking about my educational experience, and >> why i love flash so much. i started html, hated it, then tried flash, >> all in high school. after high school i eventually went to a college >> for two semesters and learned some c++ and java (java was easier, but >> understanding the power of c++ was cool). >> >> i realized i didn't like html because you couldn't do anything with >> it. it was just presentation. i wanted to do logic. flash, allowed me >> to do logic. >> when i learned html javascript was brand new and my high school >> teacher knew nothing of it (barely knew anything of anything). so >> what flash allowed me was a place to immediately make things happen >> (started just when >> as2 came out). >> >> *problem:* >> >> even after you include css, dynamic css, and javascript to html you >> still have this one problem which is the whole reason i hate html. >> the presentation layer is black boxed. i think there are two elements >> to that which need addressing; one being the browser wars, the other >> being the >> (imho) new powers of javascript and the html/css standards. >> >> each tag we use in html is a black box. i can't change the way it behaves. >> worse yet, each browser (and os) represent things differently. right >> off the bat its hard to make a single experience. but these black >> boxes make innovation harder. >> >> ok, so with javascript and such you could build your own 'scroll bar' >> and 'scrolling content', but you are still confined within the black >> boxes you are given, and merely using them in a way they weren't >> initially designed for. >> >> >> how is it that anyone enjoys working in an environment where their ui >> is so locked down? (or is it?) >> >> >> *haters:* >> >> to make comment on flash's ui black box: >> yes, their display architecture is a black box and we must conform to >> that. >> i get that, but the black box in flash ui is more of a foundation to >> a house that we can't touch. where as i see html as being pre built >> rooms that we can stitch together. >> >> >> >> *what's up:* >> >> i have not touched html in years; i am biased; i am open minded, am i >> missing something about html? have they added 'lower level' tags that >> act more like a foundation? >> can javascript 'create' new html tags? >> >> with the way things are going, i think the global web language will >> eventually need to have fewer black boxes in the ui (if that's not >> the case >> today) >> >> ...,? >> >> >> >> -- >> Ktu; >> >> The information contained in this message may or may not be >> privileged and/or confidential. 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