@Ktu
I see what your saying.. I agree.
The technology is out there for HTML to get a complete face-lift if
you will.
If not a whole new write-up. And from this response, I understand your
black box now.
Sry if any disconnect. I guess in my pursuit to make what was
available to me work
I didn't worry about if that structure would or could change.
I don't see why it couldn't be done, and to add to that, browsers
could use a rewrite as well. 0.รต
..but then I guess some would argue that the <canvas> tag is what your
talking about.
But that too is a black box IMO and I am sure yours as well. Correct
me if I am wrong.
Can you give an example of what your talking about.. or
the idea behind a black-less box?? :)
Sounds like a good thread if nothing else..
Best,
Karl
PS: I am still +1 on a flash-based browser with DOM to FllashObj
converters built in.
Sounds like a great C++ project.
:))
** I may be a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
** J.L.
On Jan 13, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Ktu wrote:
if i am not mistaken, jQuery is a framework that makes working with
html
tags easier. but you are still stuck with using those tags.
its not a matter of 'can you do it with this language', its a matter
of
'what control do i have'. i have always felt that as a developer,
you have
less control over how html works, than how flash works. there are
greater
and deeper black boxes in html.
i just don't see why people like working in html at all. they took a
markup
language, designed to be static and Frankenstein-ed it with
javascript and
css to compensate where they should have attempted to create
something new.
i don't think the future is bleak at all either. in fact, i think that
flash might end up being used more and more for tools, education, and
visualization. but that's what i am using it for and i am a bit out of
touch with what everyone else is doing.
are there ways that i could effectively create my own 'tag' with its
own
attributes and events and use that in lieu of a natvie html tag?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Karl DeSaulniers <k...@designdrumm.com
>wrote:
One word.. jQuery.
In my option it is the next best thing to flash.
I have been able to recreate most, if not all of my flash pieces
with it.
<body> is your canvas. (NOT a reference to HTML5 BTW, think artist
canvas
=)
<DIV> is your friend. Call it your MovieClip.
<p> is a helper when layout has text.
if your daring enough to learn the proper way to use it,
<table>, <tr> and the good ol <td> can make a sound foundation.
(Not the going consensus though, I just know how to use them
properly.
most people like to use a table-less design and thats just <DIV>s
galore
with CSS.)
jQuery can create any element you want on the fly (Not sure about
the HTML
tag though,
never tried. I use php to create any new HTML) and manipulate it
(in some
cases)
better than flash and an MC. jQuery has not been a memory
hoooooogggg like
flash was for me
and like I said, I have recreated most of what I did with flash.
Just a very small run-down an there is A LOT more I have not
touched on
that you can utilize.
The future is not so bleak, IMO.
I just assume let Adobe burry Flash if this is the effort they
would put
towards it.
I learned Flash much like you. I hated the limitations of HTML.
Saw flash and asked, why can't HTML do this stuff??
Well now it can, or I should say, it kind-of always could,
I just didn't know Javascript and CSS...
HTH,
Best,
Karl
PS: Flash still is my love, but she's left me to figure out who she
is. I
wait with baited breath...
On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Ktu wrote:
*preamble:*
a recent thread got me thinking about my educational experience,
and why i
love flash so much. i started html, hated it, then tried flash,
all in
high
school. after high school i eventually went to a college for two
semesters
and learned some c++ and java (java was easier, but understanding
the
power
of c++ was cool).
i realized i didn't like html because you couldn't do anything
with it. it
was just presentation. i wanted to do logic. flash, allowed me to do
logic.
when i learned html javascript was brand new and my high school
teacher
knew nothing of it (barely knew anything of anything). so what flash
allowed me was a place to immediately make things happen (started
just
when
as2 came out).
*problem:*
even after you include css, dynamic css, and javascript to html
you still
have this one problem which is the whole reason i hate html. the
presentation layer is black boxed. i think there are two elements
to that
which need addressing; one being the browser wars, the other being
the
(imho) new powers of javascript and the html/css standards.
each tag we use in html is a black box. i can't change the way it
behaves.
worse yet, each browser (and os) represent things differently.
right off
the bat its hard to make a single experience. but these black
boxes make
innovation harder.
ok, so with javascript and such you could build your own 'scroll
bar' and
'scrolling content', but you are still confined within the black
boxes you
are given, and merely using them in a way they weren't initially
designed
for.
how is it that anyone enjoys working in an environment where their
ui is
so
locked down? (or is it?)
*haters:*
to make comment on flash's ui black box:
yes, their display architecture is a black box and we must conform
to
that.
i get that, but the black box in flash ui is more of a foundation
to a
house that we can't touch. where as i see html as being pre built
rooms
that we can stitch together.
*what's up:*
i have not touched html in years; i am biased; i am open minded,
am i
missing something about html? have they added 'lower level' tags
that act
more like a foundation?
can javascript 'create' new html tags?
with the way things are going, i think the global web language will
eventually need to have fewer black boxes in the ui (if that's not
the
case
today)
...,?
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