Douglas,

#1: Disagree: you can fully customize your "preloader" so loading xx% can be 
replace with anything else.

#2: I agree with Jeff.

#3: Our desktops all totally locked to users but Flash Player is deployed with 
MS SMS. There are some solutions for software deployment.

#4: If something is missing in a component you can always extend them and add 
your own functionality. There are some guys (look in the mxna aggregator) 
releasing their components and most of them are open sourced(just like the SDK).
can you explain better "With Flex, I'm probably going to have to program 
something with the timeline."
 
João Fernandes


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 11-Jul-06 12:05 AM
To: Flex
Subject: Re: Flex vs. Ajax
 
  We have different experiences with Flex.

#1 I agree.  It's not a whole lot different than annoying splash pages.

#2: 125K / 244K is the initial load of the application.  After that, you 
are just passing data back and forth.  With a normal web app, you're 
passing "the app" back and forth each time.  I've heard that many Flex apps 
use less bandwidth overall.  Is 244K really too much for a modem user when 
they are no subsequent loads of anything except data?  ( I guess only you 
can decide, depending on your situation )

#3 You're right; I agree. in some situations Flash 9 is going to be 
hindrance, on others it won't matter.

#4: You can create components in Flex.  Even with my limited experience, I 
can't fathom creating a Flex app as a single component.  What can't you do 
in Flex that you would be able to do in Flash?

At 12:17 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote:
>On 7/9/06, Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > so in Ajax world, what is the perfered defacto method of formatting
> > data to use in Ajax code?  Is there one so that any member of my team
> > of developers can quickly modify the code?
>
> From what I've seen, there is no de facto method, but then again,
>there's not a downside to that for me either.  Depending on what my
>functions need to do, I'll return whatever data format fits that best.
>  90% of the time I use JSON just because there's no need to parse the
>data and it's a relatively small package.
>
>
> >
> > One point I'd add is dev speed and app size.  For a large app that has
> > drag+drop, charting, rich forms, messaging, etc Flex seems to have
> > Ajax beat in dev time.  Add to this you really don't need to worry
> > about browser versions that much.
>
>I've been playing around with Flex the past couple of days, I've even
>purchased Flex Builder to use in an upcoming project.  I really do
>like it, but I still see some faults.
>
>#1 - The loading screen.  When someone goes to a web page, they don't
>want the page to load up just to post another message saying "Loading
>xx%"
>
>#2 - File size.  Unless I'm doing something wrong, the file sizes on
>just the lesson projects are relatively huge.  125K for the smallest
>and 244K for the largest.  This cuts out dialup people.  My deployment
>plans are almost exclusively intranet.
>
>#3 - Flash Player 9.0 required.  Yes, I know, Flash is installed on
>97% of all computers.  But not Flash 9.0.  Also, as with our
>organization, we're starting to lock down users' computers even more
>so that Flash isn't upgradeable by anyone other than a "power user" or
>higher.
>
>#4 - Components.  Flex ships with some really neat components, but
>I've already noticed some things that I'd like to have.  With
>javascript/AJAX, typically someone has already figured out the need
>and more than likely it's open sourced.  With Flex, I'm probably going
>to have to program something with the timeline.  Uggh!
>
>--
>There more than one answer to these questions pointing me in a crooked line.
>And the less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine.
>
>



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