[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 05 15:41:40 2004 Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Apparently-To: [email protected] Received: (qmail 59566 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2004 18:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2004 18:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO p01mgw01.macromedia.com) (216.104.212.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2004 18:16:40 -0000 Received: from S1001EXM02.macromedia.com ([10.4.48.132]) by p01mgw01.macromedia.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i35IGcRN009155 for <[email protected]>; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by S1001EXM02.macromedia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <G3CSTPVJ>; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:16:38 -0400 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:16:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.104.212.90 From: Edwin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash Player? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119192317 X-Yahoo-Profile: imthewinds
Howdy, I emailed Ted Patrick separately about his benchmarks, and we now have a channel open with the right engineers on the player team. The key was Ted's actual benchmarks, we were able to run them on our instrumented players and have a common point of discussion. So... the message is, concrete examples really really help us! No guesswork. Thanks, -Edwin > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian LeRoux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash Player? > > I do not but Ted Patrick of PowerSDK has documented this > extensively. He's has gone so far as to create a few SWF's to > demonstrate the behavior though I don't have access to the > URL where I am. Send him an email for more info. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Original Message: > >From: Robert Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash Player? > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:54:50 -0400 > > >Hi Brian, > > > >I am not aware of this limitation. Do you have a sample app > I could pass > >over to the Player team to test this and work on it? > > > >Robert > > > > _____ > > > >From: Brian LeRoux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 2:00 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash Player? > > > > > >Robert, my concern is with the Flash Player's performance > when there are > >more than 50 movieclip's working within a swf. As I'm sure > you guys know, > >after that magic number performance degrades significantly > and onRelease > >events begin to get dropped by the player. Its a frustrating > wall to hit. > > > >Original Message: > >>From: Robert Crooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "'pk_wasp '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "'[email protected] '" > ><[email protected]> > >>Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for > Flash Player? > >>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:45:31 -0500 > > > >><html><body> > >> > >> > >><tt> > >> No boos here -- Macromedia has a healthy crop of J2EE > developers :)<BR> > >><BR> > >>The performance question is a complicated one and I'm hoping others > >will<BR> > >>pitch in, but I want to at least break out some separate > issues. On > >the<BR> > >>whole I don't think it is at all true that Flash apps (meaning SWFs, > >however<BR> > >>created) are slower or less responsive than HTML based or > Swing apps. > >But<BR> > >>let's break the question down into some separate parts:<BR> > >><BR> > >>1. initial download time to client: here a well-made HTML > *page* should<BR> > >>perform better than a Flash/Flex app; I don't have stats, but I feel > >pretty<BR> > >>confident that a SWF will generally be smaller and download more > >quickly<BR> > >>than an equivalent Swing-based. But comparing HTML to > SWF or Swing > >here is<BR> > >>very misleading, because with HTML you can only download a > page of an<BR> > >>application at a time, whereas in SWF or Swing you can > download a whole > >app<BR> > >>-- and that's why the HTML appears to perform better.<BR> > >><BR> > >>2. response to user actions on the client: here a SWF will > almost always > >win<BR> > >>easily over an HTML-based app, because it contains the whole > >application,<BR> > >>and doesn't need to pull additional views from the client for every > >event,<BR> > >>or call server-side application methods for all but trivial > >presentation<BR> > >>logic. This is the crucial thing to remember: the SWF > is a complete > >app on<BR> > >>the client, and you only need make new requests to the > server if you need > >to<BR> > >>pull/push additional live data; otherwise events can be > handled on the<BR> > >>client. Although I again don't have stats, what I > know about the way > >Java<BR> > >>and ActionScript are handled tells me that a Swing app should have a > >slight<BR> > >>edge here, though in using many SWF and Swing apps, I've > never noticed > >one<BR> > >>being noticeably more responsive than the other.<BR> > >><BR> > >>That being said, The Flash Player team is always looking for ways to > >improve<BR> > >>performance, and might be interested in trying to reproduce your > >performance<BR> > >>issues with apps like to Flex Store on low Mhz systems to > see if we can<BR> > >>learn something by isolating the bottlenecks. If you're > interested in<BR> > >>pursuing this, can you send more detailed specs of your > typical system > >--<BR> > >>RAM, how you installed Flex, what app server it's running > on, etc?<BR> > >><BR> > >>Robert<BR> > >><BR> > >>-----Original Message-----<BR> > >>From: pk_wasp<BR> > >>To: [email protected]<BR> > >>Sent: 4/3/2004 5:12 PM<BR> > >>Subject: [flexcoders] Future Speed Improvements for Flash > Player?<BR> > >><BR> > >>Hi<BR> > >><BR> > >>I'm a J2EE Developer (please don't boo me :) ) looking into > RIA (for <BR> > >>Intranet Apps anyway). I'm still waiting for the Trial Flex > CD to <BR> > >>arrive (can't wait) but 1 think i've notice is that the Flash <BR> > >>Movies/Sites/Apps are noticably slower and less responsive > then Java <BR> > >>HTML Form Apps/Windows Apps etc even slower then Java Swing > Apps.<BR> > >><BR> > >>Are there any plans/rumours with for the next Flash Player > to have a <BR> > >>performance increase like last time?. I know desktop > machines are <BR> > >>getting faster but the majority of our clients are still > stuck on <BR> > >>machines with less then 500Mhz CPUs.<BR> > >><BR> > >>Coz FLex supports liquid layout, lots of new controls etc > the only <BR> > >>thing stopping me from recommending management to take a > serious <BR> > >>look @ Flash is the speed e.g Flex Store demo didn't run > too well on <BR> > >>600MHz machines.<BR> > >><BR> > >>It'll be good to read up on articles on how to optimise > Flex/Flash <BR> > >>for lower end client machines, does any1 know of any?<BR> > >><BR> > >>cheers.<BR> > >><BR> > >><BR> > >><BR> > >><BR> > >><BR> > >><BR> > >><BR> > >> _____ <BR> > >><BR> > >>Yahoo! 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