>>>>>>> Another drawback is the complexity that has been added to development cycle. All of the sudden, we are talking about controllers, views, commands, value objects, data type mapping... on the presentation side... It's a lot of redundancy and in my view that should make this product less desirable.... <<<<<<<
Go ask IBM why they hired me to replace their current Flash developer working on projects for the US Navy and Siemens. MVC is a useful design pattern, prevents redundancy, and I claim is a necessity in creating effective front-end applications; we are not creating animations here. >>>>>>> Yes, Flex is nice, nice features for "flashy" projects but is too early to say it's a reliable tool for production, because too few people really deployed or used the application in prod for a decent period of time... Have you ever find a log when the browser crashes? or when the loader is taking so long to render a page... <<<<<<< Go back to Slashdot. Those of us who have been using Flash for the past few years, deployed successful projects, and have the bling to show for it know that paragraph is bologna. >>>>>>> In case you don't find your company listed on NYSE then forget about Flex :)) It's sad, but true... Flex was successfully adopted by big financial companies and MM feels that can push the price a little bit higher to increase their revenue... and unfortunately make it more prohibitive for small-medium shops. <<<<<<< Not true, said company listed on NYSE can be your client. We can't afford the software, but they can, and they pay us, therefore, we make them buy the software. We know how to use it, and know it can help us get our projects done faster for them, thus, we're using their pockets to buy Flex, and have us make them software. >>>>>>> limited charting engine <<<<<<< Know of a better one with the same amount of unbiquity, extensibility and ease of integra.... Oh, sorry... times up, not that you needed it. >>>>>>> I don't want this product for free but the way MM treated us disrespectfully makes me sick... <<<<<<< I say nice things about Flash to my friends. Macromedia sends me goodies (T-shirt, memory stick, cool bag, Central stuff to pass out at user meetings). I say nice things about Flex. They give me a Non-Commercial license. People ask questions on this list, a bunch of them respond construtively. They seem pretty cool to me! >>>>>>> I'm less concern about MM revenue numbers, just concern on the impact the prices might have on my clients..... <<<<<<< Either get a PR person or someone from MM to effectively communicate the value and speed that Flex can offer them, or get different clients with deeper pockets. I apologize, but I cannot effectively comment on your server-side and scalability concerns. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlaudrup1987" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 1.5 price In case you don't find your company listed on NYSE then forget about Flex :)) It's sad, but true... Flex was successfully adopted by big financial companies and MM feels that can push the price a little bit higher to increase their revenue... and unfortunately make it more prohibitive for small-medium shops. The weird thing is that we tend to overlook the serious problems/limitations this product has. I've seen dozens of issues peoples had with this product some of them really put me in perspective... Keep in mind that not all the apps are datagrids, flash animations, etc... and the lack of multilingual support, very limited charting engine, memory issues are only a few of the things that people should consider before buying this product or being so excited about it.... In fact is just a "presentation layer" that stays on top of your application... Flex is not a standalone product, we still need an application servers, database, etc.. and the cost adds up... I don't want this product for free but the way MM treated us disrespectfully makes me sick... Another drawback is the complexity that has been added to development cycle. All of the sudden, we are talking about controllers, views, commands, value objects, data type mapping... on the presentation side... It's a lot of redundancy and in my view that should make this product less desirable.... Yes, Flex is nice, nice features for "flashy" projects but is too early to say it's a reliable tool for production, because too few people really deployed or used the application in prod for a decent period of time... Have you ever find a log when the browser crashes? or when the loader is taking so long to render a page... It's premature to say that Flex will be a success....and I really do want so... but in the same proportion those project might fail miserably regarding their stability.... MM products scalability it something I wouldn't rely too much.... In conclusion, I think this is a list for people who really have technical difficulties and need help and less for IT managers that would want to buy... In fact is MM business how they'll manage to sell Flex and convince IT architects that this is a valid option. I'm less concern about MM revenue numbers, just concern on the impact the prices might have on my clients..... Regards, Michael PS: DO NOT intend to contact MM people off list for favors... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
