> I can clearly understand that this time Macromedia "does not care" about > reverse engineered open source alternatives to what they offer as a > product. >
I surely wish someone at Adobe would say this. It would make it so much easier. Regards Hank ds > > Ralf Rottmann | Director Sales & Marketing | VoicInt Telecommunications > GmbH > m:+49-(0)170-914-5495 | f: +49-(0)231-557402-99 | e: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jeff Tapper > Sent: Freitag, 16. Dezember 2005 23:47 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > Hank - > > I still fail to see the meat of your argument. Macromedia has already > released CFAdapter, which offers a clean, painless migration path for > existing ColdFusion and JRun customers. I think its safe to assume they > > will have a similar adapter released which covers other .Net and Java > servers. So who is abandoned? AMFPHP? I fail to see it as > Macromedia's > responsibilty to support them. AMF was and still is a proprietary > protocol. If the open source community wants to reverse engineer and > create an opensource AMF3PHP, more power to them, but I dont see that at > > MM's job. > > In my opionion, the Flash Platform has suffered over the past decade > because of their "backward compatability at all costs" mantra. I've got > no > issue with sunsetting old apis, so long as there is a clean and clear > migration path. With AMF3, Flex 2 and AS3, the migration path is pretty > > obvious to me as a ColdFusion, JRun, Flex and Flash customer. > > At 05:30 PM 12/16/2005, you wrote: > >Jesse, > > > >I am not sure why you are making me restate what is fairly clear from > >the emails from both brian and myself. In fact I would say brian is > >more articulate about it than me. But since you ask: > > > >On 12/16/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would say Flex 2's goal is to improve on the AMF protocol by > making it > > > better, not to orphan existing servers. > > > >I dont think orphaning servers is anyones primary goal, just a side > >effect that perhaps some feel would be financially beneficial. > > > >I posted code showing that AMF0 > > > works in AS3, which should negate your concern. > > > > > > >Nope. Again I dont want to redo this entire thread, but just doing > >AMF0 at the lowest level doesnt get you, for example recordsets. To > >expect people to deal with stuff at this level is just not right. > > > > > Mike Chambers, Mike Downey, David Mendals, Matt Chotin, and Phillip > Costa > > > have all responded to your threads on OSFlash, Flashcoders, > Flashcom, and > > > Flexcoders over the past months attempting to address your concerns. > Yet > > > you still keep asking the same question. If they say the made up > quote > > > above, would this make you happy? > > > > >I would disagree that anyone has attempted to address my concern. They > >have responded to my statements. But what I have heard in response is > >*very* troubling. Actually, before today the only one that responded > >to me was Mike Chambers, and he basically said (and I am paraphrasing) > >that it was only going to be supported at the low level. Just like > >what you said which means rewriting major, already working > >functionality. > > > >Addressing my concerns would be stating clear policy on the issue that > >is different from what I keep hearing. If they said what you just > >suggested they say, it would solve my problem, but, but they wont say > >it. You get answers like, "its just alpha" or "we cant support > >everything in AS3". Obviously a concise answer that answered the issue > >with "we are going to solve this issue so everyone will be able to do > >remoting with their existing servers" the problem would go away. > > > >This is not a complicated issue. Deprecating APIs that dont need to be > >deprecated when tens of thousands of developers rely on them without > >any kind or orderly phase out is just not good policy. Perhaps you > >dont mind, but if Flex is released without addressing this people are > >going to be pissed. If they are going to fix it it would be great if > >they would just say so. > > > >Regards > >Hank > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > Jesse, > > > > > > Perhaps you missed the beginning of the thread, but the facts that > you > > > state are pretty much what this thread is complaining about. > > > > > > I am not concerned about what the alpha looks like but what Adobe's > > > plan and policy is relationg to this matter. The issue is that it > > > appear to me that it is the intent of the flex2 design to orphan the > > > zillions of servers out there speaking AMF0. > > > > > > I am conerned about the fact that there is no consistent logical and > > > clear statement that AMF0 and old style remoting will be supported > in > > > AS3. To me it appears that they do not intend to. In my view > instant > > > protocol and API deprecation is very bad form. Its just not what a > > > mature company would do. I will not repeat everything that I and > Brian > > > Lesser have been saying here, but just to get up to speed you should > > > probably check the archives for this thread if you have missed it. > > > > > > Regards > > > Hank > > > > > > On 12/16/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 1. The existing Flash MX 2004 & Flash 8 Remoting classes do not > > compile in > > > > Flex 2. Since Flex 2 is not done yet, not sure if Macromedia will > > > include > > > > those classes or not. If not, we'll have to code them. > > > > > > > > So, for now, if you are not using the Flex 2 framework, then you > most > > > > likely > > > > will have to re-write low-level code. Here's what Renaun Erikson > posted > > > > to > > > > AMFPHP list: > > > > > > > > var gatewayUrl : String = > > > "<http://localhost/amfphp/gateway.php>http://localhost/amfphp/gateway.ph > p"; > > > > gateway_conn = new NetConnection(); > > > > gateway_conn.objectEncoding = flash.net.ObjectEncoding.AMF0; > > > > gateway_conn.connect( gatewayUrl ); > > > > gateway_conn.call( "com.multispan.micro.Person.getPersons", new > > > > flash.net.Responder( onQueryResult, onQueryStatus ) ); > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. I'm not sure the status of completion the RemoteObject tag is > in Flex > > > > 2' > > > > framework, but if they expose to the format property to set our > AMF > > > > version > > > > to AMF0, then this will work; assuming they do, you'll be able to > connect > > > > MXML's RemoteObject in Flex 2 to older Remoting servers. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so I was right. > > > > > > > > All jesse is saying is 8.5 wont break the millions of apps that > are > > > > out there right now. > > > > > > > > Just an inch shy of meaningless. (no offense jesse). > > > > > > > > What I am talking about is being able to have 8.5 AVM2 based apps > talk > > > > to AMF0 and all the existing server installations that are out > there > > > > right now. > > > > > > > > I want to be able to do 2 things. > > > > > > > > 1. Port my existing flash code to 8.5 without needing to rewrite > major > > > > pieces of low level client side remoting code that was previously > part > > > > of the flash baseline. > > > > > > > > 2. I want to be able to speak MXML to my existing AMF0 based > server > > > > code the same way the rest of the kids on the block do it - with a > > > > RemoteObject. I dont want to use some ghetto APIs or tags that > are > > > > not as clean as everyone elses. Using MXML with my existing server > > > > infrastructure should not be hard, even if it is not as fast as > the > > > > new AMF3 stuff is. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/16/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Er, Flash 9 Blaze... you knew what I meant. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "JesterXL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:35 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to confirm, this link has as Flash Player 7 movie created > in Flash > > > > > MX > > > > > 2004 using Remoting, and a Flex 1.5 Flash Player 7 movie using > > > > > RemoteObject, > > > > > both use AMFPHP. This link works in my Firefox 1.5 using the > alpha > > > > > Flash > > > > > Player 8.5: > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.jessewarden.com/archives/2005/06/flash_flex_amfp.html>http:/ > /www.jessewarden.com/archives/2005/06/flash_flex_amfp.html > > > > > > > > > > I did nothing to those Flash movies to get them to work in Flash > Player > > > > > 8.5; > > > > > they just do. > > > > > > > > > > Neither take advantage of AVM3. To do that, 3 things need to > happen: > > > > > - I need to port the Flex 1.5 app to Flex 2 > > > > > - I need to port the Flash MX 2004 app to Flash 8 (Blaze, not > out yet) > > > > > - both need AMFPHP needs to support AMF3, which AMFPHP doesn't > yet > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, when released, Flash Player 8.5 will play all the > > millions of > > > > > existing websites the same as they do now. However, none of > them will > > > > > take > > > > > advantage of the following without re-coding: > > > > > - AS3's speed > > > > > - Flash Player 8.5's new features > > > > > - AMF3 > > > > > > > > > > So, for all content created in Flash 8/Flex 1.5, Flash Player > 8.5 will > > > > > detect this, and use the old AVM and the old AMF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Matt Chotin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:25 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesse is correct and you're mis-interpreting Phil. The new AVM > can > > > > > communicate using AMF0 if you set that flag on NetConnection. > You can > > > > > then use NetConnection directly against the older server. > Additionally > > > > > AMF3 is not available in the older AVM, it's only available in > the new > > > > > AVM and the code that we are writing for Flex does take > advantage of it > > > > > (since it runs in the new AVM). > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > > Behalf Of hank williams > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:21 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible ? > > > > > > > > > > Jesse, > > > > > > > > > > What your are saying sounds great. But it sounds different than > what > > > > > philip is saying. > > > > > > > > > > It sounds like you are saying that my current code will work in > 8.5 > > > > > with the new AVM2 but I will have to use the AMF0 flag which > means it > > > > > will be less efficient. > > > > > > > > > > It sounds like what philip is saying is that in 8.5 you will > have to > > > > > use the old AVM that is embedded in 8.5 to use AMF0 and the old > > > > > remoting. This is not great because it is impossible to run AVM > and > > > > > AVM2 code in the same SWF. So if my interpretation of what > Philip is > > > > > saying is correct, then this has no "migration value". It is > merely > > > > > saying the new player wont just break the millions of existing > sites > > > > > out there which you dont really get a gold star for. > > > > > > > > > > So, Which one of these two scenarios is correct. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Hank. > > > > > > > > > > On 12/16/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Flash will be backwards compatible, like always. However, > you'll > > > > > either > > > > > > have to use AMF0 for the defaultObjectEncoding property of > > > > > > flash.net.NetConnection to allow it to work with old content. > The > > > > > optimized > > > > > > changes to AMF packets + serialization/deserialization means > that > > > > > projects > > > > > > like OpenAMF & AMFPHP will have to be modified to take > advantage of > > > > > them; > > > > > > aka, read the new AMF format. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how different the format is, but it wouldn't jump > from > > > > > AMF0 to > > > > > > AMF3 if it didn't rock. Therefore, old content will still > work as > > > > > usually, > > > > > > and you can still use Remoting with AMFPHP & OpenAMF. I've > already > > > > > tested > > > > > > my existing content in Flash Player 8.5 and it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > What I've yet to see work yet is AMFPHP using AMF3, but I > wouldn't > > > > > expect > > > > > > Patrick & the AMFPHP crew to start working on it until the > player is > > > > > in > > > > > > later betas. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:30 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it possible > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Philip, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for taking the time to respond to this issue. I do > > > > > appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I do have a bit of a concern with what you are saying. It > sounds > > > > > > like you are saying that because of improvments in > architecture or > > > > > > performance, old style AMF remoting may not be possible, or > may > > not be > > > > > > possible easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > This just doesnt sound right. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are pretty high level Async protocols, and I cannot > imagine any > > > > > > speed or architectural change that would cause such things to > be > > > > > > unsuportable. Moreover the documentation and others from > macromedia > > > > > > have said that the low level protocol is supported just not > the > > higher > > > > > > layers. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I appreciate your responding, but it would really be > helpful to > > > > > > understand the technical issues that cause you or others to > say that > > > > > > because of the AVM changes that this stuff may not be > supportable. > > > > > > Because, to me, it sounds like saying "due to speed and > architecture > > > > > > changes flash can no longer support the color RED". > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/16/05, Philip Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry I'm jumping in late on this thread, but I was out of > the > > > > > office > > > > > > > and I've been having email problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To follow up on Matt's comment, you have to recognize that > with > > this > > > > > > > public alpha, we are releasing into the wild much earlier > than > > > > > usual, so > > > > > > > not everything is resolved. We recognize that AS3/Flex 2 is > a big > > > > > change > > > > > > > and that moving to it will require some people to rewrite > > > > > code/change > > > > > > > infrastructure. Part of the reason for releasing early is to > make > > > > > sure > > > > > > > we struck the right balance between improving the > architecture > > > > > (which > > > > > > > often causes breakage) and breaking things (which causes > pain). The > > > > > > > discussion here is definitely helpful in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Flex 2/AS3, we did not set out to break compatibility > with > > > > > existing > > > > > > > Remoting implementations, but that may be a reality of the > big > > > > > changes > > > > > > > we are making. As with every change, you have to make > trade-offs > > > > > between > > > > > > > keeping backward compatibility and fixing things for the > > future. Our > > > > > > > goal is to build a solid technical foundation that we can > use > > in our > > > > > own > > > > > > > products and that others can use in their products; with > this > > > > > release, > > > > > > > we decided making some painful changes was the right choice > for the > > > > > > > long-term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To address the specific question about Remoting, we will > have more > > > > > > > information about the future of other Adobe/Macromedia > products > > that > > > > > use > > > > > > > Remoting soon as well as information about how other > products that > > > > > rely > > > > > > > on AMF can make the migration to AS3. But I do want to set > the > > > > > > > expectation that this is going to be a migration, not an > upgrade. > > > > > Player > > > > > > > 8.5 will continue to run content/applications published to > Player 8 > > > > > and > > > > > > > below, but to take advantage of the radical performance and > > > > > functional > > > > > > > improvements in the new AVM, some things will have to be > > > > > reimplemented. > > > > > > > We are absolutely committed to helping the developer > community make > > > > > that > > > > > > > change, whether they are buying Flex, Remoting or CF from us > or > > > > > > > something like AMFPHP, but at the moment we're in the middle > of > > > > > making > > > > > > > that change ourselves, so you will have to be patient. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil Costa > > > > > > > Group Product Manager, Flex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of hank williams > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:25 AM > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2 and Amfphp is it > possible ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To add just a little color to this, I use java on the server > side, > > > > > but > > > > > > > POJOs are useless to me because I return almost all my data > as > > > > > > > ResutSet/RecordSet's. There are a variety of reasons for > this > > > > > including > > > > > > > the pageablerecordset capability, but the bottom line is > that's how > > > > > I do > > > > > > > it. Rewriting the old recordset code that supports AMF1, to > me, is > > > > > not > > > > > > > at all sensitive to the needs of the developer base. And > again, we > > > > > > > don't even know if its possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt from Adobe just said that he does not expect to be > breaking > > > > > > > anyone's workflows, but I am not sure if that just meant > Brian, who > > > > > is > > > > > > > using Cold Fusion, but not FlapFlap since he is using > AMFPHP. Given > > > > > that > > > > > > > PHP is currently the most popular server side tool in the > world > > some > > > > > > > statement of support for AMF1 would be helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But there are others that think that since AMFPHP is an open > source > > > > > > > "hack" and that Adobe has no obligation to maintain API > > > > > compatibility or > > > > > > > continuity with any existing protocol. Instant deprecation > is no > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this is Adobe's position on this issue and to open source > in > > > > > general > > > > > > > - or not, I would love to hear it directly from Adobe in > clear, no > > > > > > > nonsense terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, if any Adobe management is listening, and if > > appropriate, > > > > > > > just detach the below letter, sign and return. I will > forward > > to the > > > > > > > appropriate constituencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > > December 16, 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Adobe > > > > > > > To: Open Source Community > > > > > > > Non Cold Fusion/FDS users > > > > > > > PHP Users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: The needless breaking of your existing server > communication > > > > > > > solution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Screw You. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warmest Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > > > > > Signed Adobe Management Team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/05, Brian Lesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > This thread started with a query regarding using the open > source > > > > > AMF > > > > > > > > PHP software that a number of people have been using for > some > > time > > > > > to > > > > > > > > build Flash/AMF/PHP based applications. Developers in that > space > > > > > > > > naturally want to continue to use the server-side code > base (in > > > > > PHP) > > > > > > > > they have been building out along with the new standalone > Flex 2 > > > > > IDE > > > > > > > and AS3. > > > > > > > > However, it appears from the Alpha, and from what I gather > Mike > > > > > has > > > > > > > > been saying, that this will not be possible without > reinventing a > > > > > > > > number of > > > > > > > > AS3 classes such as RecordSet from scratch. Perhaps worse, > though > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not into PHP, is that it may not be possible at all if any > code > > > > > relied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the NetConnection.addHeader() method. This useful, > public, and > > > > > > > > documented method of the NetConnection class has not been > > > > > implemented > > > > > > > > and is still under discussion within Adobe. So, unless I'm > > > missing > > > > > > > > something in what you wrote, I don't think it is > reasonable to > > > > > suggest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PHP developers simply switch to using Web services and > Java > > POJOs. > > > > > > > > I always understood that something like AS3 would to some > degree > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to break AS2 and AS1 code and that at some point a new > document > > > > > object > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > model might break many APIs. But I do not believe Adobe > has to > > > > > > > > completely break everyone's Flash Remoting applications > from end > > > > > to > > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > I sincerely hope that NetConnection.addHeader reappears in > the > > > > > beta. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also hope that if Adobe doesn't do it, someone else will > come up > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a solid AS3 RecordSet implementation that works > flawlessly. I > > > > > wish I > > > > > > > > knew for certain if that was even possible. > > > > > > > > I also think this discussion should give everyone pause. > Imagine > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 months from now. Perhaps, like the ill fated Flash > Remoting > > > > > Gateway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Servlet MM tried to sell at $999/CPU, the essential parts > of Flex > > > > > Data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Services will be reverse engineered and available as open > source > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > number of different server-side technologies. Will Adobe > once > > > > > again > > > > > > > > rewrite everything to make it better and in the process > break all > > > > > its > > > > > > > > public APIs? Will every Java developer be left wondering > if Adobe > > > > > is > > > > > > > > just trying to remonetize AMF or if they just don't have > the > > > > > > > > financial/developer resources to retire an API gracefully? > > > > > > > > In any case, some caution about breaking third party > developer's > > > > > > > > applications from end to end seems appropriate. > > > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Wolf wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't understand why you can't simply use > <mx:WebService/> to > > > > > > > > >replace <mx:RemoteObject> in most cases. Using AXIS you > can use > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >exact same POJO you might have used in a > <mx:RemoteObject/> and > > > > > do so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >without the need for any gateway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > >Dave Wolf > > > > > > > > >Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > > > > > >Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > > > > > > > ><http://www.cynergysystems.com>http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], hank williams > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>As far as I know there is not yet. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>There was some discussion about this on the flashcoders > list > > > > > when > > > > > > > > >>flex2 came out. I made a pretty big deal about the fact > > that the > > > > > > > > >>docs seem to indicate that standard remoting will not be > > > > > something > > > > > > > > >>that is supported. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>Mike Chambers (a MM employee) indicated that it was > supported. > > > > > But > > > > > > > > >>what he meant was that it was supported at a super low > > level and > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>would essentially have to write all the low level > remoting code > > > > > for > > > > > > > > >>this. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>It seemed pretty clear to me that their intent was to, > ahem, > > > > > > > > >>**encourage** remoting users to buy cold fusion or Flex > Data > > > > > > > > >>Services, in order to do painless remoting, and that > they were > > > > > > > > >>essentially orphaning anyone who was not doing remoting > > with one > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >>their pricey gateways. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>Now, perhaps this post will bring adobe employees out of > the > > > > > > > > >>woodwork crying foul and saying I am wrong. But the fact > that > > > > > there > > > > > > > > >>is any ambiguity about this isssue, is, in and of > itself, a > > real > > > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>The fact that that there is not some strong statement of > > > > > continued > > > > > > > > >>**full** support for traditional remoting is, to me, > shameful. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>Regards > > > > > > > > >>Hank > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>On 12/15/05, Flapflap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>>Hi there, > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>Because RemoteObject isn't available on Alpha is there > a > > way to > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >use flex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>2 with amf php ? > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>Thanks... > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>By the way : Hello World ! > > > > > > > > >>> I'm new to this list. > > > > > > > > >>>-- > > > > > > > > >>>Flapflap > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>-- > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Brian Lesser > > > > > > > > Assistant Director, Teaching and Technology Support > Computing and > > > > > > > > Communications Services Ryerson University 350 Victoria > St. > > > > > > > > Toronto, Ontario Phone: (416) 979-5000 > ext. > > 6835 > > > > > > > > M5B 2K3 Fax: (416) 979-5220 > > > > > > > > Office: AB48D E-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > (Enter through LB66) Web: > > > > > <http://www.ryerson.ca/~blesser>http://www.ryerson.ca/~blesser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > > > > > > > FAQ: > > > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt>http:/ > /groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > > > > > > > Search Archives: > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>http://www.mai > l-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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