Nick, You've got a point... I agree with you in that solid experience does mean more than any specific degree/certification... but...
Given the relative infancy of the Flex, and the fact that it has been licenced to target the larger scale companies/projects, I would think it's generally difficult to actually get "hands on" experience working on a Flex project. I realize that anyone could learn Flex if they wanted to, but I for one thank my lucky stars that I was able to actually stumble my way onto a Flex project back in 2004. It's one thing to say "yeah, I know flex, look at these cool apps I've done up in my spare time" compared to "yeah, i worked on project X for X months, and my employer was extremely pleased with my work" (or maybe not, but he/she was a jerk anyway). Most people don't know what Flex is (especially recruiters), and the simple fact that i've worked on "a" project is qualification enough for them. Getting to my point... I think that certification would give Joe B. who hasn't worked on a "project" the ability to learn his stuff and take the cert exam. I'd think that having that certification at this point for Flex, would be enough qualification for Joe to get that first "real" Flex job. Thoughts? Brendan --- In [email protected], "Nick Weekes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > just my 10 cents, but over here in the UK graduates of tech (comp > science/systems dev etc) based degrees usually get some sort of > certification (mostly MSCE/MSCD). So we have college leavers with this kind > of certificate, which kind of puts certification at the junior/entry level, > rather than the 'niche carving' level. > > I think the fact that someone can put on their resume that they have solid > experience of a (relatively new) tech such as Flex is way more important. > > But maybe its totally different in other countries. > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tolulope Olonade > Sent: 28 February 2006 11:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect > > > > You are probably right. > > I jus suggest they don't stay too late on coming out with it. It could > really give them an edge and probably some market dominance. > > Remember there are other competing technologies/companies e.g Nexaweb, ajax > etc. > > Anyone of them that comes out early is most likely to carve a niche for > himself. > > Adobe do really have an edge for now :-) > > Regards > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Clint Modien > Sent: 28 February 2006 09:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect > > > > The point of most certifications is too insure to a resonable degree that > the person is capable of doing what they say they can do. > > I would hesitate to take a car I owned to anyone "claiming" to be a mechanic > but lacked formal certification. > > I think the bottom line is... there are certification programs for other > Adobe/Macromedia products... and I'm sure there will be one for Flex in the > not too distant future. > > > > On 2/27/06, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...both of you, Jonathan and Brendan, have good attitudes, and contribute to > this list. Both of those facts alone would cause me to hire you in a > heartbeat. > > > > However, if you are looking for the sense of accomplishment, ability to > represent bigger companies, and the resume addition, then I understand. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jonathan Miranda <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:40 AM > > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: RIA Certified Developer/Architect > > > > Would also like to know this...if you got a company willing to pay for > training, take them up on it :-) > > _________________________________________ > > Jonathan Miranda > > Flexible Master of the Web > > "In the game of chess, it's important to never let your opponent see your > pieces." > > HealthGrades <http://www.healthgrades.com/> : Guiding America to Better > HealthcareT > > NASDAQ: HGRD > > w (720) 963-3832 > > c (707) 761-0868 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _________________________________________ > > The message contains confidential and/or legally privileged information and > is intended for use only by the indicated addressee. 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