----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:47 AM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: How can I block a TabNavigator ?
> Alright Paul, let's talk about assuming that the best way is YOUR > way. Without knowing the actual use case, comments like "bad > design", "accomplice", and "horrors" are a bit arrogant, when it > comes to helping someone solve a problem. Well, I had expected the list to be a bit more than giving out nuts and bolts advice about how to do something, no matter what. I certainly am not some great arbiter of UI goodness, nor am I the UI police. As far as being arrogant, well, in many respects I thought that what was being planned here was clearly wrong from a UI standpoint. I could probably have added a few more smileys because some of my comments about the matter were intended to be tongue-in-cheek. >Javier didn't ask, "What > would be the best design choice?". He asked, "Can someone help > me?". Without more information, criticism is pointless. There may > be a very good reason for developing a solution that uses a > TabNavigator this way. When you judge people without knowing all of > the facts, you better not live in a glass house. Well, I do live in that glass house and I have produced some appalling user interfaces over the years and I wish someone had pointed out to me then why what I was doing was wrong and how it could be done better. I hope that my comments will make Javier really think about what he's doing and if he's still happy to go ahead with it, educate me as to why it's a good thing given his situation. Maybe I can learn something. Javier can take or leave my comments, I'm not stopping him going ahead. There may be a load of people here who think as you do that I'm just an interfering so-and-so, but I think a lot of people will also have thought about the principle thrust of my comments - is it right to take a UI metaphor then break it so it no longer works as expected. They may not agree with me, but some will think again about things. Javier may well have good reason for what he's planning. I can't see it and if Javier still believes in it I hope he'll teach me something new. It may be that javier has been handed this design down and may have no choice about it. I have no quarrel with Javier at all. > By the way, isn't an accordion just a view stack with buttons; in a > slightly different visual representation than a TabNavigator? The tab navigator is a really old metaphor than goes way back and is based upon a physical filing system. Everyone knows how it should work. The accordion is very similar in behaviour. If somebody suggested using an accordion and blocking the accordion navigation (clicking on accordion titles) and replacing it with buttons, I'd feel pretty much the same way as I do about the blocking of the tab navigator. My comment about the accordion was because there are plenty of examples of it being used in Flex to do a similar job to what Javier seems to want to do; it wasn't my intended suggestion to use an accordion with blocked navigation and buttons on the accordion panes. >So, > it's OK one way, in a perfect design theory oriented approach, but > not the other? No. See above. >Not so impressed with the quality of response. Sorry. >When > you berate someone for asking a perfectly good question, it serves > no-one. Anyway, not trying to make you into an enemy, but > compassion is one of the true indicators that we are more than just > animals. End of sermon. :) I have never intended to berate anyone. I've been critical of this UI approach and it's nothing personal against Javier. I'm not sure where compassion comes into this - I'm not feeling sorry for anyone or sympathetic to any plight! I'm still unrepentant about the idea of messing with the tabs.. Tim, you aren't my enemy and I appreciate your comments - keep them coming. Javier, if I have upset you, I apologise. It wasn't my intention and I hope you'll go forward with a solution that suits you and that at least I've provided some food for thought. Paul - returning to that glasshouse to fix some panes.. ;-) > -TH -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
