Good deal. Cheers. --- In [email protected], "Paul Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:47 AM > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: How can I block a TabNavigator ? > > > > Alright Paul, let's talk about assuming that the best way is YOUR > > way. Without knowing the actual use case, comments like "bad > > design", "accomplice", and "horrors" are a bit arrogant, when it > > comes to helping someone solve a problem. > > Well, I had expected the list to be a bit more than giving out nuts and > bolts advice about how to do something, no matter what. I certainly am not > some great arbiter of UI goodness, nor am I the UI police. As far as being > arrogant, well, in many respects I thought that what was being planned here > was clearly wrong from a UI standpoint. I could probably have added a few > more smileys because some of my comments about the matter were intended to > be tongue-in-cheek. > > >Javier didn't ask, "What > > would be the best design choice?". He asked, "Can someone help > > me?". Without more information, criticism is pointless. There may > > be a very good reason for developing a solution that uses a > > TabNavigator this way. When you judge people without knowing all of > > the facts, you better not live in a glass house. > > Well, I do live in that glass house and I have produced some appalling user > interfaces over the years and I wish someone had pointed out to me then why > what I was doing was wrong and how it could be done better. I hope that my > comments will make Javier really think about what he's doing and if he's > still happy to go ahead with it, educate me as to why it's a good thing > given his situation. Maybe I can learn something. Javier can take or leave > my comments, I'm not stopping him going ahead. There may be a load of people > here who think as you do that I'm just an interfering so-and-so, but I think > a lot of people will also have thought about the principle thrust of my > comments - is it right to take a UI metaphor then break it so it no longer > works as expected. They may not agree with me, but some will think again > about things. > > Javier may well have good reason for what he's planning. I can't see it and > if Javier still believes in it I hope he'll teach me something new. It may > be that javier has been handed this design down and may have no choice about > it. I have no quarrel with Javier at all. > > > By the way, isn't an accordion just a view stack with buttons; in a > > slightly different visual representation than a TabNavigator? > > The tab navigator is a really old metaphor than goes way back and is based > upon a physical filing system. Everyone knows how it should work. The > accordion is very similar in behaviour. If somebody suggested using an > accordion and blocking the accordion navigation (clicking on accordion > titles) and replacing it with buttons, I'd feel pretty much the same way as > I do about the blocking of the tab navigator. > > My comment about the accordion was because there are plenty of examples of > it being used in Flex to do a similar job to what Javier seems to want to > do; it wasn't my intended suggestion to use an accordion with blocked > navigation and buttons on the accordion panes. > > >So, > > it's OK one way, in a perfect design theory oriented approach, but > > not the other? > > No. See above. > > >Not so impressed with the quality of response. > > Sorry. > > >When > > you berate someone for asking a perfectly good question, it serves > > no-one. Anyway, not trying to make you into an enemy, but > > compassion is one of the true indicators that we are more than just > > animals. End of sermon. :) > > I have never intended to berate anyone. I've been critical of this UI > approach and it's nothing personal against Javier. I'm not sure where > compassion comes into this - I'm not feeling sorry for anyone or sympathetic > to any plight! I'm still unrepentant about the idea of messing with the > tabs.. > > Tim, you aren't my enemy and I appreciate your comments - keep them coming. > > Javier, if I have upset you, I apologise. It wasn't my intention and I hope > you'll go forward with a solution that suits you and that at least I've > provided some food for thought. > > Paul - returning to that glasshouse to fix some panes.. ;-) > > > -TH >
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