Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 2 limitations vs. raw Flash 8 Prof?

[Clint Tredway]

IMO, if you are building an application that has little to no animation, then Flex alone is the choice. You can still use F9 to re-skin the flex components, but Flex is the hands down winner in terms of building applications. I say this given my own experience building Flash & Flex based applications.
I am working on an app that pulls in a swf that is all animation that I want to show through my flex app.. thats another way to go.  my 2 centsOn 10/5/06, 
fuad_kamal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:













  


    
            One addenum to that - in theory you can access the same component
architecture in the Flash 9 preview as you can in Flex - from your AS3
code.  Outside of pure code though, there's no drag 'n drop
functionality in the F9 preview like we have in Flex...but I think
that's just a preview issue; even the help/doc files are empty in the
preview.  It certainly is MUCH easier coding AS3 in Flex 2 than the
preview, hopefully that gap will lessen with the release version. 
Anyway you can also write your AS3 code from within Flex2 and then
make use of those AS files from F9 preview...

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "greg h" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kirk,
> 
> I am going to reply in this one email to your two earlier posts.
> 
> You started off your first post with "we're looking to move our
> ASP.NET<http://asp.net/
>based application suite to Flash".
> So I assume that your team has no deep competency with either Flex or
> Flash.  Is this correct?
> 
> For developing RIAs, I suggest you make Flex 2 your default choice
with a
> side investigation of how to use Flash 9 (or for now Flash 8 Pro
with the Flash
> Pro 9 ActionScript 3.0
> Preview<http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flash9as3preview/>
> ).
> 
> There are a number of points of comparison between Flex and Flash.  When
> developing RIAs one that is very relevant is the choice between
using the
> prebuilt component framework in Flex 2 vs building your own
components in
> Flash 8 or 9.
> 
> Also, the whole development process is very different.  Will you be
having
> your ASP.NET <http://asp.net/
> developers cross training?  If so Flex 2
> likely will prove to be more familiar and easier for them to come up to
> speed on quickly.  Flash authoring, on the other hand, uses
paradigms that
> likely are unfamiliar to more traditional developers such as is
taught in
> university computer science programs.  For a quick sense of how Flash
> development may look to traditional coders, in this following
article see the
> section under the heading:  "We Call This 'The Timeline.' No, Wait, Come
> Back!"
> www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/articles/flash_perspective.html
> 
> Regarding "video-heavy applications" I see no inherent advantage of
Flash
> over Flex (or vice versa).
> 
> One potential disadvantage of Flex 2 is that it is ActionScript 3
only.  But
> this is only a disadvantage if you have existing Flash ActionScript 2
> components, because as Robert hinted in his post at run time AS3 and AS2
> components are limited in their ability to talk to each other. 
Aside from
> that, however, the advantages of AS3 over AS2 are enormous.
> 
> Regarding the specific issue you stated that "we couldn't mix Flex
running
> AS3 with scripted movies with AS2", that is only partly true.  As of
Flash
> Player 9 (FP9), there are two Actionscript Virtual Machines (AVM).  AS3
> pcode runs in FP9's new AVM2, and the pcode from AS2 and earlier run in
> AVM1.  At runtime, code can be running in both AVM1 and AVM2 at the same
> time, but they can not pass values directly between the AVMs. 
Though they
> can pass values through external APIs (in his post Robert mentioned
> localconnection).  So, though you CAN "mix Flex running AS3 with
scripted
> movies with AS2", there are limitations.  Thus this is one case
where shops
> with legacy AVM1 code may have an incentive to convert their legacy
code to
> AS3.  For a great walkthrough of what is new with FP9, AS3 and the AVM2
> check out this presentation by Gary Grossman, lead developer on the
Flash
> Player team and an Adobe Senior Scientist.
> http://seminars.breezecentral.com/p64058844/
> 
> On another issue, your posts are the first I have heard anyone raising
> concerns about "one of the issues brought up to me was how to get
the nice
> cinematic feel w/ scripted animations, etc. in Flex."  Whether you
author in
> Flash or Flex it all compiles down to the same pcode.  It really is just
> dependent on the skills of your developers.  Furthermore, as Nick
said in
> his reply, "You should use both."  And "it's not an either/or
situation."  I
> actually would love it if you could have your source on this concern
post
> back on this thread with more details.  The broad community of "Flash
> Platform" developers continue to grapple with how get the most out
of the
> vast and amazing tools that Adobe has given us :-)
> 
>  Should you want to solicit comments that may favor Flash more over
Flex,
> you might also want to put your post up over on the Flashcoders list:
> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
> 
> Should you want to solicit comments from Flash/Flex video
specialists, you
> might also want to put your post up over on the FlashMedia list:
>
http://www.flashcomguru.com/flashmedialist/<
http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders>
> 
>  And by the way, can you spare 3 days later this month?  If so you
really
> should come to
MAX<http://www.adobe.com/events/max/agenda/by_track.html#rias>!
> It will be the ideal forum for you to hammer out a definitive plan of
> action.  The Flex 2 team will be there in force.  The Flash team will be
> there in force.  And a large part of the community developing in
both will
> be there too.
> 
> Just to give you a flavor, here are 4 sessions that seem pretty on
point to
> your requirement:
> 
>    - Flex for Flash Designers: How Flex and Flash Work
> Together<http://www.adobe.com/events/max/sessions/cd208w.html>.
>    A variation of this session is already available streaming on the
net here:
>   
www2.sys-con.com/webinararchive.cfm?registered=on&pid=wc_rwf6_s06warden
> 
>    With the presenter's notes here:
>    www.jessewarden.com/archives/2006/09/flex_seminar_pr.html
>     - Best Practices for Developing Flash
> Applications<http://www.adobe.com/events/max/sessions/wd211w.html>by

> the author of the Flash MX 2004 V2 MediaPlayback component.  Three
> months
>    ago the presenter published an article on Guidelines for Flash
>    application
development<http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/articles/ria_dev_guidelines.html
>
>    - Mixing Web Video with Live Broadcast TV: Flex and Flash Media
Server
>    Teamed up for the Ultimate Engaging Experience
>    <http://www.adobe.com/events/max/sessions/vs110w.html>
>    - Leveraging Flex 2 and Flash Player 9 for Truly Cinematic
Experiences
>    <http://www.adobe.com/events/max/sessions/ri210w.html>
> 
> 
> Regardless what you decide, please do post back to this list and let
us know
> what you decided (and maybe even why :-)
> 
> hth,
> 
> g
> 
> 
> On 10/4/06, Kirk Marple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  interesting...  one of the issues brought up to me was how to get the
> > nice cinematic feel w/ scripted animations, etc. in Flex.
> >
> > i was told that only simple looping animations were possible
because we
> > couldn't mix Flex running AS3 with scripted movies with AS2.
> >
> > maybe the new AS3 preview will solve that, since we could script
> > animations using AS3 in regular Flash 8 Professional.
> >
> > am i totally off-base here in what i've been told?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Kirk
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] *On
> > Behalf Of *Nick Collins
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 04, 2006 1:58 PM
> > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 2 limitations vs. raw Flash 8
Prof?
> >
> >  The fact of the matter is that it's not an either/or situation. You
> > should use both. For the logic and coding you definitely want to
be using
> > Flex with SVN for obvious reasons, and for building the skins of
the UI
> > components to create the "cinematic experience" you want to be
using Flash.
> >
> > On 10/4/06, Renaun Erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >   A big one for me is Developer workflow. Try sharing FLA's
between a
> > > couple of developers. Using MXML and AS with CVS/SVN you can get
tons
> > > of work done with out working about who has the latest file. Granted
> > > you could do this with Flash 8 professional and external AS
files but
> > > that is also messy in its own right.
> > >
> > > Renaun
> > >
> > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
<flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, "Kirk
> > > Marple" <kirk-public@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > we're looking to move our ASP.NET based application suite to
Flash,
> > > and have
> > > > been investigating the use of Flex 2 vs. just straight Flash 8
Pro.
> > > >
> > > > can anyone provide any feedback on what limitations you've
seen when
> > > > developing an RIA in Flex 2 vs. just straight Flash 8?
> > > >
> > > > we're trying to evaluate the pros/cons on going one way vs
another.
> > > >
> > > > specifically, we like the Flex 2 layout capabilities and the
ability
> > > to
> > > > easily deal with XML and REST web services, but we seem to be
> > > constrained by
> > > > the lack of scripted animations (from what i've heard) and ability
> > > to have a
> > > > "cinematic" look/feel compared to Flash 8. also, it's video-heavy
> > > > application and need the ability to do dynamic video assembly and
> > > playback.
> > > >
> > > > thanks for any input!
> > > > Kirk
> > > >
> > > > -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
> > > > Kirk Marple
> > > > Chief Software Architect, VP of Engineering
> > > > Agnostic Media, Inc.
> > > > e: kirk@
> > > > w: www.agnostic-media.com < 
http://www.agnostic-media.com/>
> > >
> >
>


      

    
    










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