Scott, > Sillyness aside, there is substance to this and it was a great read, but i think what hurt it's purity is the undercurrent of "MS is evil, watch them" mentality. I assure you that undertone wasn't purposeful. I did flub the Sparkle reference, but then again, most people misunderstood what Sparkle was and the general understanding at large was the Sparkle was WPF/E. Code words are supposed to be confusing right? :=)
As you said, aiming at that would have just undone the message I was trying to get out. Worth noting BTW, I am a MSFT Alumnus. -- Dave Wolf Cynergy Systems, Inc. Adobe Flex Alliance Partner http://www.cynergysystems.com http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: 866-CYNERGY --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave.C, > > Dave.W gets it :) He understands that the RIA space is not exclusive to one > company but many, while I get the undercurrent of his blog-speech, I do > however disagree with the "dark evil plotting" - MIX isn't because MAX > exists, its actually because it's intent is to showcase a MIX of Microsoft > Technologies in the one spot, consolidated. Usually PDC / TechEd are > reserved for the 100% Microsoft pieces (except TechEd Australia were we are > hoping to mix-it-up a bit more). > > Furthermore, we are looking to REMIX (Australia, Melbourne, June 25th - > 26th) in the rest of the world based off what the US version does and so > on.. point I'm thinking folks at times amplify the paranoia around > Microsoft ;) > > Secondly, Sparkle was the code-name for Expression Blend, and JOLT was the > code-name for Silverlight. I also get nervous when anyone uses the term > "Missiles","Big Bang" and Microsoft. As when they do, i start to think of > Cult Followings and ponder if I've been duped into some mystic cult (I'll be > that guy running out in FBI handcuffs on Hard Copy saying "I didn't know..I > didn't know..") > > Sillyness aside, there is substance to this and it was a great read, but i > think what hurt it's purity is the undercurrent of "MS is evil, watch them" > mentality. > > I'm evil, Microsoft isn't though (just to clarify that). > > On 4/20/07, Dave Carabetta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I hope this isn't taken with as some sort of corporate shill for my > > employer, as it's honestly not my intent, but Dave Wolf, Vice President of > > Consulting at Cynergy Systems, gives an excellent summary as to why > > Silverlight is a phenomenally important announcement to the RIA industry and > > why it's not just some "copycat Flash" competitor. If you're looking for a > > balanced view of Silverlight's effect, check out his latest blog entry: > > > > > > http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs/page/davewolf?entry=wake_up_and_see_the > > > > Regards, > > Dave Carabetta. > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > On 4/18/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Its an annoyance of mine aswell. I'm confused as to why .NET remoting > > > was dropped from Flash/Flex (haven't yet seen FLASH CS3 and whether its back > > > but yeah, no idea and all i can say is Mark's got his head screwed on right > > > and he can help with WebORB in that regard. Actually the Flex Builder > > > integration is quite stunning I must say, it left both Andrew Shorten & I > > > drooling @ Feb Seattle Flex UG) > > > > > > That so sounded like a plug didn't it :) hehe. (Sorry it wasn't meant to > > > be) > > > > > > > > > On 18 Apr 2007 07:38:08 -0700, mvbaffa <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been working with Flex since its alpha version. Before the > > > > release version was avaiable I had an application with AMFPHP ready. > > > > That is I really love Flex and i have been working with it since it's > > > > 1.5 version. > > > > > > > > But I am a .NET developer, I have a huge legacy in .NET Framework 2.0 > > > > and 1.1. I don't know why Adobe, up to this moment, is maintaining > > > > exclusive focus on Java. There are a lot of .NET developers that > > > > would like to have a server framework developed directly from Adobe. > > > > > > > > Applications are not only Client, they need a strong and consistent > > > > server Framework. I beleive that if Adobe maintains its exclusive > > > > focus on java it will loose, very soon a good number of .NET > > > > developers. > > > > > > > > Communications Foundations is really good and it will be better very > > > > soon. And it's price is very good, it is free !!!!! > > > > > > > > I am still working on the Microsoft framework. But I beleive that WPF > > > > and SilverLight can be very soon a real competitive alternative. > > > > > > > > Marcus Baffa > > > > NOVA Consulting > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Peter Demling" <pdemling@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Version 1 of Microsoft products have historically been slow, > > > > > unapologizing in their copycat nature, and hampered by large numbers > > > > > of major bugs and gaps in functionality. > > > > > > > > > > However, their astronomical cash reserves and relentless commitment > > > > to > > > > > establish market share has almost always led to vastly improved > > > > > products in version 2 and beyond. So of course, Silverlight is no > > > > > match for Flex - right now. But if Microsoft sustains its > > > > commitment, > > > > > it's not a question of *if* it could be "almost as good" as Flex - > > > > > just a matter of when. > > > > > > > > > > I don't say this as a criticism of Microsoft (I use several of their > > > > > > > > > products daily and love them), but rather to point out that they are > > > > > more of a market force than a true software company - and so the > > > > > relative success of Silverlight (or any other MS offering) is > > > > > pre-ordained, so long as they decide that's what they want to do - > > > > > it's independent of the present quality of the actual product. > > > > > > > > > > -Peter Demling > > > > > Lexington, MA > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Scott Barnes" <scott.barnes@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Claus, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, so that's why FLEX does have its unique offering vs > > > > SilverLight and > > > > > > once developers & designers unsubscribe from the notion it's > > > > a "Flash > > > > > > Killer" and do more of what you are doing (exploring it's upcoming > > > > > release) > > > > > > you'll decide on what you think it's merits are vs aren't. It's > > > > > early days > > > > > > yet, so wouldn't worry to much about it folks ;) just keep an > > > > open mind > > > > > > should you want to take it for a test-run post MIX07 :) > > > > > > > > > > > > WPF & SilverLight are going to have interesting prospects just > > > > like > > > > > Apollo > > > > > > and FLEX will have it's own, I think the two will do different > > > > > things for > > > > > > different people. Keep fingers in all barrels I'd say :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Apr 2007 03:30:22 -0700, Claus Wahlers <claus@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you read FUD crap, ignore it on both sides and just be > > > > opened > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > idea that theres yet another channel of delivery in rich > > > > interactive > > > > > > > > applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reading through the Silverlight docs, XAML looks to me like > > > > some weird > > > > > > > kind of microsoftified SVG, spiced up with MP3 and WM codecs. > > > > I'm > > > > > still > > > > > > > searching but so far i couldn't find anything close to what Flex > > > > > offers > > > > > > > (what i found are some barely working and butt ugly component > > > > > > > experiments). I'd guess that Silverlight will get some video > > > > market > > > > > > > share, but it has a long way to go to enter the RIA market. My 2 > > > > > > > > > centavos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Claus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > claus wahlers > > > > > > > côdeazur brasil > > > > > > > http://codeazur.com.br/ > > > > > > > http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Scott Barnes > > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.mossyblog.com >
