Hi all, To avoid any confusion, let me first introduce myself: I am the Elixir product manager
I do understand that our model might seem complex, so let me clarify. The trigger for commercial or end user license is whether the application generates licensing or use revenues. The commercial license is built for ISVs (independent software vendors) that make an OEM use of Elixir. The intent is to get a fair share of revenue from these ISVs: these companies will have to pay 5,000 a year, per Elixir module for unlimited projects & users. The other use cases (the vast majority) do not require a deployment fee: - Public web site - Internal applications and portals - Free public applications (except from ISVs) - paid services from companies for which software is incidental (i.e. core business is not software revenue as banks for instance). Consultants and software houses developing custom apps and portals for their customers do not fall into the commercial use case, except when such customers are ISVs making OEM use of Elixir to generate license or use revenues. If so the commercial license applies and fees are meant to be paid by the ISVs, not the development firm/person We all know that no model is perfect to cover all use cases and I am honestly open to discuss it with you all to understand where it falls short and is unfair to your business. Erwan PS: traveling all week so might not be responsive to questions and feed-back --- In [email protected], Clinton Judy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But most reporting software seems to come at comparable prices anyway. > If I were to use ILOG for our intranet at work, even though we'd have > 600-800 users in the system at any time, it would still only be a > one-time fee of $799. You're looking at the higher prices if you're > going to reuse ILOG as a developer in third party applications, > methinks. > > Wow, methinks is in my spell checker? Methinks is is, ergo, forsooth! > Wow! > > On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 13:14 +0000, jjkruse1 wrote: > > EULA is terribly written, barely in English, convoluted, confusing > > and almost incomprehensible. As interpreted by the Company, the deal > > seems to be this: Pay Adobe $799 and get unlimited use of ELIXIR to > > produce apps, but only for your own enjoyment. If you want to even > > SHOW (never mind sell) your apps to any "third party" you have to buy > > a "commercial" license from ILOG (not Adobe). Price is the upfront > > fee plus a "deployment fee" of $5,000/module up to $20,000 for the > > whole thing. > > > > Worse, the deployment fee is ANNUAL, so discount the stream to PV to > > get your actual cost, which will be six figures for an extra chart > > dimension and a few gauges. For that kind of money you can have real > > gauges in your new leased Ferrari. > > > > jk > > > > --- In [email protected], "Kevin Aebig" <kevin@> wrote: > > > > > > I was sincerely interested in there components until the licensing > > options > > > came out. Now I'd rather re-develop them myself to suite my needs > > and > > > honestly, I'm nearly done the dials and gauges, the diagramming and > > the > > > scheduler. > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that many of their components should've been included > > with Flex > > > to begin with, it's pretty ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > !k > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Pat Buchanan > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:09 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] does anyone know if ILOG Elixir > > > > > > > > > > > > $799 is nothin' if you read their licensing info. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to resell it, and you used all of their components in > > one way or > > > another, it would cost you $20,000 if I remember correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ouch. > > > > > > -Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/25/08, Sherif Abdou <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:sherif626@> > > com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > will also sell an education version for a discounted price,$799 is > > crazy > > > money and yes i am trying to milk this whole education thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http:/www.yahoo.com/r/hs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
