Moderate first post is turned on for flexcoders and for flexcomponents, but I
at least am more scanning for spam than stuff that really should be in
flexcoders.
Matt
On 6/18/08 12:10 PM, "Anatole Tartakovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would definetly vote to add "moderate the first post" for advanced groups
like flexcomponents to deal with the issues Doug brought up. I believe that
would make lists better for everyone.
Sincerely
Anatole
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Doug,
flexcomponents is not moderated in conventional sense. The name of the
group is confusing for new users. Very few people have a sense what the group
is for. I am more concerned that the messages that do not belong to
flexcomponents stay there. Crossposting has to be moderated and discouraged.
Ban them first time for some time, permanently if needed.
You can try weborb or flexjobs as examples of clearly distinct and moderated
entries.
I am getting few emails a week from people asking me to help them to write
"hello worlld" type application in Flex - or help them with blog or book code -
to find that they do not know they need a server. We created this culture with
free products and support - and there are people who would take advantage.
Regards,
Anatole
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Doug McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Out of the last 100 threads on flexcomponents 22 were cross posted to
flexcoders. Almost every one (I think with one exception) was
cross-posted by the original author immediately to both lists
(sometimes as many as 5 lists! flexcoders, flex_india, flexcomponents,
ria-india). One of them was pretty much spam, and one of them was a
job post (which shouldn't have been posted to flexcoders or
flexcomponents, but only flexjobs).
If we look at flexcomponents as a microcosm, then we have: 22%
crossposting (1% legitimate cross-posting) and 2% spam.
Yeah, this isn't a scientific survey (although I do hope to get real
results comparing the full traffic of both lists soon). But I just
thought it was interesting.
Doug
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Anatole Tartakovsky
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:anatole.tartakovsky%40gmail.com><mailto:anatole.tartakovsky%40gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Hello Tom,
>
>>>How is >1 list simpler than 1 list ?<<
>
> The same way "threads by the topic" are simplier then unsorted individual
> email - you read only the ones you need and fold the rest. While you can
> argue that you can sort and fold messages with some client email
> customization, it is not a trivial task unless your server or client
> supports it.
>
> Basically weborb is 10 messages a day, apollo is 1 and flexcomponents are 2
> - I can manage that in my daily emails. Imagine that we separated the main
> list in subtopics and one of them would be "dashboards, charts and BI" -
> getting 5-10 messages a day - would you rather moderate that or whole
> list? Would it get up in your inbox? What are the chances that a single
> mail would get missed by specialist? What about the quality of the answer?
> Visibility of all questions and answers on the topic? Am I the only one who
> thinks that libraries place books by category for convenience and access
> simplicity?
>
> There is nothing simple about fishing in 100+ items. Tom, as BI specialist
> you know firsthand that sorting data in the beginning eliminates order of
> magnitude processing later. Let us apply it to our daily life.
>
>>> But if there are too many they'll just post to them all. <<
>
> There are 2 types of crossposting people - the ones who did not receive the
> answer in the previous forum and the ones who cross post from the get go.
> The first type is OK - moderator or users can point them to a different
> forum. There are periods in flexcomponents that every second message gets
> "RTFM" or "go to flexcoders" responses. The second type needs some
> discipline. Here is what moderators and users do - saying this is not
> appropriate forum, remove the message to make life easier for the rest,
> giving warning bans for a day - however harsh it sounds, it works. The goal
> is to service the community - not to do somebodies homework. If the forums
> are speedy and high quality the crossposting ceases.
>
> I have seen heavily moderated product forums on compuserve (yes, before
> Internet) 15 years ago. You had less then one hour response (datetime
> US) time on 90+% of the questions. The volume was about 500 messages across
> 20 forums. "General" list was getting about 100 threads, the rest were much
> smaller, The answers would be actually correct ones. Vendors would have team
> of community moderators that would answer 50%+ of the questions in their
> domain - with multiple moderators per topic. There was very little
> repetition of the questions as people could search much better.
>
> Things come in cycles. Please consider this as "best practices" from the
> historical point.
>
> Now for the next cycle - can single list be better then multiple lists - the
> answer is yes, but not now
> The only way I can see single as an alternative to multiple list is to
> enforce tagging of the questions. That in turn means next generation of
> email clients or forcing everybody to use RSS type readers instead of email.
> We will get to it in a few years, its requires serious update to the email
> system. Next generations of email that are to be spam proof can make
> topics/tagging exchange a part of handshake protocol. Till then there is no
> enforceable way to sort the messages on the senders end.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Anatole Tartakovsky
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Tom Chiverton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:tom.chiverton%40halliwells.com><mailto:tom.chiverton%40halliwells.com>
> > wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote:
>> > Multiple lists enforce thinking if it is appropriate before posting.
>>
>> Maybe. But if there are too many they'll just post to them all.
>>
>> > Moderators can ban/redirect unappropriate message. Flexcomponents often
>> > redirect new users to flexcoders if the question is not about
>> > components.
>> > You almost never see questions on UI design in weborb.
>>
>> See what I and Matt said - I think we're on the same page here.
>>
>> > All in all - let us have the simplest thing possible - multiple list - w
>>
>> How is >1 list simpler than 1 list ?
>>
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