OK, this is my absolute last comment on the topic. It is not personal, it is not directed at any individual, it is directed at the FlexWiki community at large.
If anyone doesn't like the current "chocolate" style that is the default style on FlexWiki 2 and is in use on FlexWiki.com then please go ahead and design something else and submit it to the community for inclusion and/or replacement. Oh and FYI, the new look was announced back in August (the 10th if you want to check the archives) and John was good enough to update his public wiki to include the new style. After a flurry of bug reports, which were all fixed, there were no other comments about the style. Take from this what you will. Derek. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Szabó Marcell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:14 PM To: "'FlexWiki Users Mailing List'" <flexwiki-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Flexwiki-users] FlexWiki Style Feedback > I didn't mean to implement these designs directly, just take the colors, > the > border styles, the font and heading styles, because these are in harmony > in > the oswd designs. The layout should stay the original fw. > Maybe use some 3d effect or shadow at the borders of the normalborders. > > There is visitor feedback tho :( > "Whoa, this is the ugliest UI I've ever seen. Must have designed by a > blind > programmer..." on GetFlexWiki > > BTW: please remove the "rename" link from the left border on flexwiki.com, > because users just screw everything with it. > > SzaMa > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John > Davidson > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:04 AM > To: FlexWiki Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Flexwiki-users] FlexWiki Style Feedback > > I had looked through much of the Open Source Web Design even before > Derek provided the latest style update. I had rejected them and did > not bring them up as almost all the column based designs are fixed > width. FlexWiki automatic table creation algorithms take advantage of > variable width main section and is optimized for the widest possible > tables, which is in place and has been even in FlexWiki 1.x It is not > possible to implement one of these oswd skins without losing > significant functionality, or requiring considerable effort to rework > the css to fit our requirements. > > I am relatively comfortable with the Chocolate layout, with the > exception of some color-blindness issues that have been corrected by > using the allowed for override stylesheet to fix the one color > attribute causing me a problem. There could be some other minor tweaks > made to the main stylesheet, but these should be covered as derek says > by raising bug reports. > > It is possible to make classic the default throughout a site by > specifying the classic.css as the override stylesheet. > > John Davidson > > On Nov 15, 2007 4:50 PM, Szabó Marcell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately or not, design is very very important. Even in a very early >> beta test. Fresh experience: our beta testers were much more satisfied > with >> a community portal after we put a simple oswd skin on it. >> >> >> >> Pick some of these (the first few fit the best I think) >> >> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3134 >> >> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3268 >> >> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3194 >> >> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3557 >> >> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3459 >> >> http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3465 >> >> >> >> It would be very nice, if there were at least two skins (ie. the first > two) >> in the fw distro, and a showcase of the skins on flexwiki.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> SzaMa >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek >> Lakin >> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:55 AM >> >> >> To: FlexWiki Users Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Flexwiki-users] FlexWiki Style Feedback >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I get your point. I doubt there are any statistics out there on the >> number >> of people that dislike brown so much that it would put them off a web >> site >> completely. Generally speaking, the tones in the new style are neutral, > but >> the background colour for the sidebars is quite dark. >> >> >> >> >> >> If enough people here on the mailing list agree that lighter colours > should >> be used for the sidebars in the default CSS, then it can easily be >> changed >> (it's just a simple JPEG image and one colour value in the CSS) and I'd >> be >> more than happy to do so. >> >> >> As I mentioned before, if the community would prefer to see something >> different as the default style, or if they would like to contribute >> additional alternative styles, then feel free to do so. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks again, >> >> >> >> >> >> Derek. >> >> >> On Nov 14, 2007 8:27 PM, Jimmy Sieben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> While you can't please everyone, I think you can definitely make a > conscious >> decision to do something that won't turn a lot of people off. >> >> >> >> Neutral colors are safe, and I am afraid that brown is not in the same >> category of "safe" colors for a professional web product, and as you >> point >> out there are accessibility issues as well. >> >> >> >> I worry that the current default Flexwiki.com look risks turning people > off >> before they can even discover what is great about the software. >> >> >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Lakin >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:33 AM >> >> >> >> To: FlexWiki Users Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Flexwiki-users] FlexWiki Style Feedback >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Web site designs and style, as with any aspect of design and style are >> always a matter of taste. If anyone doesn't like the new brown look, then >> I'm sorry, but we can't please everyone. FlexWiki has always had the > ability >> to customise the CSS for the Web application and we have also added in >> the >> ability to dynamically switch between defined stylesheets. The current >> implementation also includes a stylesheet to revert to the "classic" >> FlexWiki style if the new one is not to your taste. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If there are specific accessibility issues or bugs, then please raise > these >> on the BugTracker [1] and we will endeavour to fix them as soon as > possible. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not about to apologise for the new look and feel; I designed it >> according to a style that I liked and it was available in the pre-RC >> releases for some time before it was put live on flexwiki.com for people > to >> report bugs and to provide feedback. As I said, it would be impossible to >> come up with a style that everyone likes, which is why we implemented the >> ability to change the style and why FlexWiki has always had the ability >> to >> customise the CSS. >> >> >> >> >> >> I appreciate your feedback (negative or otherwise) and encourage you to >> develop alternative styles that we can provide with the FlexWiki >> installation. >> >> >> >> >> >> Many thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Derek >> >> >> [1] > http://www.flexwiki.com/default.aspx/FlexWiki/SourceForgeBugTracker.html >> >> >> On Nov 14, 2007 11:28 AM, Nathan Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Nov 13, 2007 6:28 PM, Walt Crosby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Change the name to "Espresso" and it suddenly takes on a pleasing, >> > comforting tone ;) >> > >> > >> >> Maybe 'Espresso' will stick better than 'chocolate.' I personally am >> not a huge fan of brown in general (my wife and I argue over that all >> the time, ;) so I feel that I'm particularly biased, and I'll admit, >> it was the driving force in figuring out how to do the alternate >> stylesheet work. I don't know what to do except to do some sort of >> poll and then, more importantly, get the work submitted. Derek has >> done a ton of work in this area and even if Espresso/Chocolate/Brown >> gets out voted, I think that it'd be silly to vote in a change without >> some sort of replacement to go with. >> >> Aside from chocolate, there is one thing that I would like to see >> changed: I believe that the borders are too wide. I don't know if they >> were widened for a particulary purpose, but there is considerable >> whitespace "wasted" on a normal 4x3 monitor, and a ton on 16x9 >> monitors. This is particularly noticable on the LeftBorder, but the >> RightBorder could use a little Jenny Craig, too. >> >> -nathan >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. >> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Flexwiki-users mailing list >> Flexwiki-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flexwiki-users >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >> Still grepping through log files to find problems? 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