On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:11:44 +0200, Christian wrote in message 
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> Arnt Karlsen schrieb:
> > ..and rightfully so, amule has a search function and the first 2
> > boxes I looked at, had ahem copyrighted music etc in when I fetched
> > K5dvd, the second time I looked, everybody behaved like I was RIAA
> > or BSA  or FBI or something.
> 
> A knife can be used to create some very fine food or to murder someone
> - so is a knife a bad tool? You should not mix the tool with the
> actions it's used for.
> 
> P2P technology is perfectly legal (TCP/IP itself is a P2P technology).
> The problem arises when people distribute conent where they don't have
> the licences to distribute (like most MP3s or movies).
> When you distribute GPLed content or you own content (where you issue
> any distribution licence to yourself) your action is perfectly legal
> and no RIAA, BSA or FBI can do you any harm.

..you forget why we have Groklaw.net: Microsoft litigation _will_ hurt
us in the short run, even if we win in the long term.  Until we make it
to the perfect world you envision, we have to make sure we can win 
_any_ case Microsoft and its proxies throws our way.  
That means we need to tell our lawyer that P2P indeed is legal, so he
can tell the judge, we cannot expect them to know this today.
Keep in mind a lot of people does believe P2P is illegal because of the
abuse of it, and, because RIAA et al lobbyies to have P2P banned.

> Please note: with P2P you are still only offering files that *you*
> have decided to offer. Noone from the outside can make you offer
> illegal files. (But you usually offer files that you are downloading
> or have been downloading - so you should never download an illegal
> file)
> 
> > ..bottom line is FG _is_ a MSFS competitor, and distributing
> > anything  FG on P2P where it is possible to find any law shark
> > fodder, allows Microsoft bleeding us dry making us pay a lawyer to
> > tell the judge to toss out the case everydamned time they find (or
> > lure in) some dork  with stolen binaries, music etc.  Assuming he
> > does every time, that still bleeds us dry paying our lawyer, to have
> > the judge make Microsoft pay us costs and damages, he will wanna
> > hear the case, and we can  only pray for Groklaw coverage.
> > Average price for this kinda litigation is US$ 3mill.
> 
> It does not matter how (HTTP, FTP, P2P) we distribute FlightGear - as
> long as the whole content is legaly licenced under the GPL.

..aye.

> That we are an competitor to MSFS, X-Plane or even Falcon 4.0 is
> totaly irrelevant in this case.

..in a lawsuit, this easily _becomes_ relevant.
 
> > ..I just learned bittorrent is a bit different to a|e|xmule p2p, I
> > used amule to fetch Knoppix, and the wise approach is do it on a 
> > _dedicated_ machine in a DMZ.  
> > Anyone here with experience on _both_ bittorrent and *mule?
> 
> You should always run any processes that allow incoming traffic in a
> DMZ.
> 
> Curt could ask his network administrator for permission to run the
> BitTorrent client on the same machine that runs the Web-Server. Then
> both can offer the same files without storage overhead. And any
> reasonable network admin should be happy about that, as it can promise
> to cut down the download traffic a lot!
 
..and we can easily prove with the relevant traffic statistics.  ;o)

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.



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