Hi there! Thomas Förster wrote: > Am Dienstag 03 Juli 2007 10:28 schrieb Vivian Meazza: >> Of course code breakage happens. But in an ideal world, it shouldn't get >> into cvs. > > In an ideal world we had automated unit test that cover everything... Welcome > to reality :-P
In an ideal world we wouldn't have to test because nobody would make mistakes. How's that for an unreasonable expectation? ;-) It's quite interesting how people recently get overly upset about the behavior of others in the project, flaming and fighting, creating a very bad atmosphere. Ah, and: test is always incomplete, which is something every computer scientist or programmer should know. There's always some bug you miss. Implying from that that the test wasn't done properly is like saying "you're not flying yet just because you don't flap your arms fast enough." Many of the contributors - whether to the FlightGear core or to side projects (of which there are many: fgsd, TaxiDraw, Atlas, fgrun, etc., to name only a few without any order of importance implied) - are spending a lot of their even now relatively sparse free time to contribute and they are not getting a single penny for this. This is clearly also true for the contributions Durk and Thomas have made here. Those contributors don't deserve to get slapped in their faces just because they just didn't take those additional hours to make sure that about everything is absolutely correct and absolutely no bug affecting the code of whomever else is left in - instead of spending time with their spouse, their family or whatever might be actually important in life. This project should be glad that contributions are coming and not discussing about who is at fault for them not being perfect. I would also in general ask people to have an eye not only on what they want to say and how they say it, but also on how this might be read at the other end. It takes at least two for a flame-war. So maybe next time you feel personally offended by a mail, think twice and pay extra care not to personally offend in your answer - if an answer is indicated from a factual standpoint anyway. E-Mail is an unreliable communication medium. There once was a study in which 50% of test persons misjudged the intention of their communication partner in e-mail communication. How's that for "they can't know what you meant to say"? Discussions of this kind don't get the project anywhere and whoever thinks he knows how to do things exactly right should think again, as he's probably wrong. The only thing this kind of atmosphere brings the project is people being unnerved by this style of discussion and turning their backs - which is said to have happened before, think in detail about who has left the project and why they might have. Some of them might have gone without leaving an official statement. And now I will sink back to my self-imposed silence, trying to bring down my blood pressure. As Vivian said: Flame-wars are not good for one's heart. ;-) Cheers, Ralf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
