Unfortunately, the GPL doesn't account for emotion.  For those who
have met RMS, interpersonal relationships don't really fit...  Certain
rights are gained, others are given up.

The best we can hope for is that they are interested in being a part
of a community, the worst we should expect is that they add no value
and sell it as a package.

I don't believe that FG I structured in a way to be able to receive
funds as an organization, and consequently we can only hope that they
will be a good community member and sponsor and assist where they can.

If people want me to slueth around and find some more info and
possibly reach out, please advise.

Regards... Matthew


On 11/20/08, Tatsuhiro Nishioka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For clarifying my position, I don't care if they sell flightfear. But
> I do care if that affects our project in either technically or
> emotionally. According to some threads or posts in the list and the
> forum, it seems that many developers and users do not like the current
> situation.
>
> I guess the problem is they don't make any communication with us
> including contribution. I do welcome some third parties sell
> flightgear if they are friendly and hopefully make a contribution.
> Needless to say they need to observe the GPL thingies.
>
> You can pack everything into either DVD or thumb drive and sell it as
> long as it doesn't brake any legal issue.
>
> But... For me it's more on human relation issue. As long as they are
> friendly and actively open to us, then we can collaborate and make
> flightfear better from both open source and bussiness aspects.
>
> I think there is still much room in improving the usability,
> functionality, and quality of flightgear. If marchants can collect
> such needs and give some offers and feedback (preferably in
> implementation, but just an idea is OK) to flightgear community,
> that'll be super good.
>
> Look forward to seeing reply from them,
>
> Tat
>
> p.s.
> Sorry for full quote. I'm writing on iPhone. this fun tool is missing
> copy-past and cut-paste things.
>
> On Nov 21, 2008, at 10:16 AM, "Matthew Tippett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> One thing to be *very* careful of is assuming that flightgear has some
>> absolute right to control what happens downstream.  If this company is
>> honoring it's responsibilities under the GPL, there is nothing that
>> the FG community can do to prevent it happening.
>>
>> The GPL enshrines those rights to the recipient, and by extension you
>> give up the right of control as an author when you allow code to be
>> distributed under the GPL.
>>
>> The main thing that the GPL prevents is 'flightsimpro' creating a
>> flightsim that has unique features and linking it into the the main
>> binary and preventing the release of that. But if the developer is
>> keeping their stuff separate (say an advanced-clean room
>> implementation of terrasync using different scenery, or a bridge to a
>> different flight sim network), again they have done nothing wrong by
>> the GPL (distribution of aggregations is a confusing area).
>>
>> Contact with this company would clarify most of this quickly.
>>
>> (A parasite isn't always violating the GPL - a lot of X and kernel
>> developers call Ubuntu a parasite since they don't contribute a
>> proportional amount upstream.)
>>
>> Regards... Matthew
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/08, Stuart Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Curtis Olson wrote:
>>>> Someone pointed out this site to me.  It probably falls into
>>>> the category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link
>>>> here to get some more eyes on it.
>>>>
>>>>    http://flight-aviator.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>> One way to discourage this sort of thing would be to include
>>> "www.flightgear.org" prominently in the startup screens, in the
>>> same way that we include "initializing sub-systems",
>>> "initializing scenery".
>>>
>>> Possibly with an added message along the lines of "Welcome to
>>> FlightGear,
>>> the free open source flight simulator."
>>>
>>> That would force the rip-off merchants to at least compile the code,
>>> rather than simply replacing some .pngs!
>>>
>>> -Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
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