On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:16:34 -0500, Matthew wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> One thing to be *very* careful of is assuming that flightgear has some > absolute right to control what happens downstream. If this company is > honoring it's responsibilities under the GPL, there is nothing that > the FG community can do to prevent it happening. > > The GPL enshrines those rights to the recipient, and by extension you > give up the right of control as an author when you allow code to be > distributed under the GPL. ..except we do _not_ know _whether_ it is being sold under the GPL here. ..the website rather strongly suggest this _is_ software piracy. ..therefore the copyright owners has the right to make this fine seller, _prove_ his compliance to the GPL. (Or, simply call in the cops. ;o)) ..absent evidence of such compliance, this becomes a copyright infringement and criminal case under most jurisdictions, and there's _ample_ case law suggesting viable solutions. ;o) ..in all fairness, I did find _one_ single mention of the GPL, in: http://flight-aviator.com/images/fps/thumb/picture-0010.jpg try search it for "ImGply". ;o) ..pay-pal would know of payments made to these people. ;o) ..has anyone mirrored http://www.flight-aviator.com/shop/ etc? I suspect they _are_ aware of our prodding, I could not buy _anything_, _anywhere_ on their site, from them. ;o) > The main thing that the GPL prevents is 'flightsimpro' creating a > flightsim that has unique features and linking it into the the main > binary and preventing the release of that. But if the developer is > keeping their stuff separate (say an advanced-clean room > implementation of terrasync using different scenery, or a bridge to a > different flight sim network), again they have done nothing wrong by > the GPL (distribution of aggregations is a confusing area). > > Contact with this company would clarify most of this quickly. ..like I said above, I suspect they _are_ aware of our prodding. So I too welcome their _thorough_ clarifications. ;o) ..meanwhile, helpful whois etc output? ;o) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ jwhois flightprosim.com [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [Redirected to whois.godaddy.com] [Querying whois.godaddy.com] [whois.godaddy.com] The data contained in GoDaddy.com, Inc.'s WhoIs database, while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is" with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining information about domain name registration records. Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written permission of GoDaddy.com, Inc. By submitting an inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and and solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose, including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes. Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc. is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database. Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: FLIGHTPROSIM.COM Created on: 04-Jun-08 Expires on: 05-Jun-09 Last Updated on: 04-Jun-08 Administrative Contact: Private, Registration [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598 Technical Contact: Private, Registration [EMAIL PROTECTED] Domains by Proxy, Inc. DomainsByProxy.com 15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598 Domain servers in listed order: NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ jwhois flight-aviator.com [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [Redirected to whois.godaddy.com] [Querying whois.godaddy.com] [whois.godaddy.com] The data contained in GoDaddy.com, Inc.'s WhoIs database, while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is" with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining information about domain name registration records. Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written permission of GoDaddy.com, Inc. By submitting an inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and and solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose, including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes. Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field. In most cases, GoDaddy.com, Inc. is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database. Registrant: KcKpers Ltd 5a Jasmine place Wigram Christchurch, Canterbury 8004 New Zealand Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: FLIGHT-AVIATOR.COM Created on: 25-Aug-08 Expires on: 26-Aug-10 Last Updated on: 25-Aug-08 Administrative Contact: Casey, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] KcKpers Ltd 5a Jasmine place Wigram Christchurch, Canterbury 8004 New Zealand (021) 186-3057 Fax -- Technical Contact: Casey, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] KcKpers Ltd 5a Jasmine place Wigram Christchurch, Canterbury 8004 New Zealand (021) 186-3057 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: NS25.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS26.DOMAINCONTROL.COM [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ dig flight-aviator.com ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> flight-aviator.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 49430 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;flight-aviator.com. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: flight-aviator.com. 3027 IN A 72.167.131.94 ;; Query time: 11 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 21 03:59:46 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 52 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ dig -x 72.167.131.94 ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> -x 72.167.131.94 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 31358 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;94.131.167.72.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 94.131.167.72.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR p3slh170.shr.phx3.secureserver.net. ;; Query time: 147 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 21 04:00:00 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 92 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ jwhois secureserver.net. [Querying whois.internic.net] [Redirected to whois.wildwestdomains.com] [Querying whois.wildwestdomains.com] [whois.wildwestdomains.com] No match for "secureserver.net." in the registrar database. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ dig secureserver.net ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> secureserver.net ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 60319 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;secureserver.net. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: secureserver.net. 3600 IN A 208.109.132.208 ;; Query time: 146 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 21 04:01:02 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 50 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ jwhois secureserver.net [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [Redirected to whois.wildwestdomains.com] [Querying whois.wildwestdomains.com] [whois.wildwestdomains.com] The data contained in this Registrar's Whois database, while believed by the registrar to be reliable, is provided "as is" with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining information about domain name registration records. Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written permission of this registrar. By submitting an inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose, including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes. Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field. In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of domain names listed in this database. Registrant: Wild West Domains, Inc. 14455 N Hayden Rd #219 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States Registered through: WWDomains.com Domain Name: SECURESERVER.NET Created on: 30-Mar-98 Expires on: 28-Mar-17 Last Updated on: 29-Aug-08 Administrative Contact: Wild West Domains, Inc., Wild West Domains, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wild West Domains, Inc. 14455 N Hayden Rd #219 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States 4806242500 Fax -- 4805058844 Technical Contact: Wild West Domains, Inc., Wild West Domains, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wild West Domains, Inc. 14455 N Hayden Rd #219 Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States 4806242500 Fax -- 4805058844 Domain servers in listed order: CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/0a16 $ > (A parasite isn't always violating the GPL - a lot of X and kernel > developers call Ubuntu a parasite since they don't contribute a > proportional amount upstream.) > > Regards... Matthew > > > On 11/20/08, Stuart Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- On Thu, 20/11/08, Curtis Olson wrote: > >> Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into > >> the category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link > >> here to get some more eyes on it. > >> > >> http://flight-aviator.com/ > >> > > > > One way to discourage this sort of thing would be to include > > "www.flightgear.org" prominently in the startup screens, in the > > same way that we include "initializing sub-systems", > > "initializing scenery". > > > > Possibly with an added message along the lines of "Welcome to > > FlightGear, the free open source flight simulator." > > > > That would force the rip-off merchants to at least compile the code, > > rather than simply replacing some .pngs! > > > > -Stuart -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... 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