> Here are a couple thoughts from a devil's advocate perspective:
>
> Question: what if our "joomla" site gets hacked some how and vandalized?
> How easy is it to roll back changes and restore a site after it's been
> damaged?  With our current system it's real easy ... I just rerun the web
> site rsync command and yell at the ISP to fix the security hole.  If the
> problem is all contained within our mysql database and user managment
> system, then that could be harder to deal with.  These are things we'll
> have to explore, but I assume there is a way to backup the entire site off
> line and restore it later if there is a problem?  We supposedly have that
> capability with our phpbb forum, but the restore side of this has never
> been tested.  Security and recoverability and fixability is something we
> need to consider if we were to make an official move from a simple system
> to a far more complex system.
Joomla is a mature system and these topics have all been addressed. At least 
technically. We need someone with the knowledge how to perform these tasks, 
though.
>
> 2. Simplicity versus complexity.  For a long time I displayed a "powered by
> vi" banner on my personal home page.  That was somewhat intended in humor,
> but it was also at least half true.  My site was actually powered by a
> combination of vi + emacs.
You may continue to use vi + emacs to edit the template. And for the content, 
you may use the mysql command line client and to a
'insert into jos_content blah blah blah;'
if you hate the gui ;-)
> You probably already know this about me, but I do often view the latest
> fads and the latest hype with a certain amount of skepticism.  I am I going
> to get massively flamed in 2 years when "froombla" is released and it's way
> better than joombla and we aren't using it? :-)  
That will happen anyway - no matter if we stick to the current site or move to 
Joomla, typo3, xoops, [enter_your_favourite_cms_here]. No escape.
> Have any joombla sites 
> crashed and burned because someone had a weak password and their account
> was hacked?  Or because there was some security hole in the code?  And if a
> mysql database gets corrupted or damaged for some reason, how hard is the
> repair job?
First question: Definitely yes. Second question: If they had a backup, other 
than the avsim guys: it's easy.

My conclusion is: Having the technique, the CMS, is just premise #1. A complex 
system needs one or better two operators for the housekeeping. They need a 
certain skill and a good bunch of spare time to do the job. I am not talking 
about creating a flashy template or writing some content. It is the dirty all 
day work: removing spam, (un)locking users, resetting passwords, 
granting/revoking rights, etc. 
Just have a look at the countless hours Gijs and is spending on the wiki and 
you know what I mean.

But if we can perform the task of setting up and operating a CMS, it will be a 
great improvement for flightgear.org.

Torsten

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