On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:43 AM,  Martin Spott wrote:
>> So, if you claim that your rating is _not_ a beauty contest, then I'd
>> ask you: After taking the above mentioned thoughts into account, what's
>> left as a criteria for your rating ?
>
> Martin, I see no need to repeat myself over and over. Please read the
> explanations I have given so far, if you feel dissatisfied there is a
> factor of three times more explanation, response and disclaimer in the
> forum.
>
> If you think the scheme is grossly flawed, please point to a specific
> example where, then we can discuss that, maybe that's more productive.

One example that strikes me is the c172p, though I'm biased as one of the
maintainers of the aircraft, and it is rated accurately according to
your criteria :)

The cockpit interior is complete, down to panel lighting switches,
parking brake handle etc.
There may be a slight mis-alignment issue with regard to the fuel
gauge and clock, but
other than that, there really isn't anything further required. I don't
think adding photo
textures would add significantly to the look and feel, and in fact
might detract from
usability given the constraints on resolution, screen space view angle
inherent in a
simulator.

I'm with Martin and Vivian on this - I don't believe that
photo-textures add much to the
"wow" factor, and I also agree with Vivian that this isn't really a
particularly good indication
of quality. However, beauty is in the eye of the beholder ;)

As Curt and others have pointed out, there certainly is a place for
rating aircraft to
publicise those that are hidden gems, and your list is certainly going
to make me
look at some new aircraft.

I think a more fruitful approach would be to formalize various rating
requirements,
such that anyone can evaluate an aircraft against largely objective
criteria. This would
remove the need for one person to evaluate all the aircraft, which as
you've pointed out
is a herculean task. Such ratings would certainly need to include
cockpit quality, and
your criteria would form a good basis, even if we disagree on the importance of
photo-textures :)

This has been discussed many times on the list and elsewhere before,
but the actual
criteria have never been really agreed, and the ratings (which one
would want to encode
into the -set.xml file) have never been implemented.

There's a wiki page that discusses this here:

http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Formalizing_Aircraft_Status

Personally, I prefer a numeric rating system as you have created, and
a limited number of
areas - possible just FDM, systems, cockpit and exterior model.

I particularly like the option you've provided to add and extra point
- it could be used to indicate
a particularly nice feature not covered by the criteria itself, for
example well modeled failure modes.

The FDM is possibly the hardest to define, but I think it is certainly
possible - from a basic
Aeromatic or YASIM geometric model, through models that meet the PoH
climb, cruise
numbers to those like the P51d-JSBSim that match flight test data.

-Stuart

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