Should i remind everyone that this all is about open source and GPL v2 data. Some spirit that have already proved it's capacity and functionality. It's all about data that is contribute by different talented peoples from all around the world. It's all about little self made parts from each other that is proudly copied and glued together to make somethings. It's all about a bunch of enthousiast collaborating together. It's all about "thanks to ..."!
Look back to your lovely GNU/Linux distribution. It doesn't matter from what it's has been derivate. Again, it's all about little parts of software, libs, graphics, technologies or whatever which made the final glued product. Without all the different talents who have contributed in the different areas, it would never have been what it actually is! I think some here are still failing to realise that! Our motto: L'union fait la force (Strength through Unity). Some contribution are of better quality as other. Sadly enough, we didn't all got a nice and powerful brain, nor the time, the right tools to get things done. It's still stuff achieved by multiples enthousiast who are strong together and probably useless when working alone in the dark. The particularity of open source and GPL stuff & and especially its spirit made in sort that this is organised in a way of pluggable things. It's all about little "components" developed by different enthusiasts. Instead of one big all-in-one closed thing which can't be interchanged. This way, you can easily dive into the data, adjust it to your taste, make use of other components. For some tasks, you can make the choice and select the component you want for that particular task. Again, it's work of others you make use of and if you can improve or fix some stuff by the way, you just provide it to them. It's all up to you to learn from the stuff others have left to your disposal. We all make experience thanks to those who left traces which can be studied! Even failures of other are interesting, at least you know the way you shouldn't take. FGFS isn't an exception to that. In such community, usually, never you will hear some claiming to be the author or owner of data that he haven't made. Even more, usually peoples in such community would call them a proud (main)contributor, package maintainer, upstream author or whatever that doesn't sound arrogant and inappropriate in the way that he monopolise or take illegally ownership of work done by others. Everyone who made somethings is the author of what he made. And nobody should take that over. Anyone who followed the DC3 story and all the mess it got in the run on the PAF forum [1], or those who didn't but took 2 minutes to watch these two videos Clement posted, or just tested the stuff would have see how the DC3 was and what is achieved by now. Just by watching it visuals, you can maybe imagine all the work behind this! And even then, not all work is shown there in! The initial state isn't comparable to what the state is right now! It's the product of some months of a bunch talented collaboration work there on the PAF forum. And that with the author that started the DC3 aircraft. A bunch of enthusiasts who worked all together to improve the aircraft. A group of enthousiast who finished the work of someone else! And in the run, faced to serious issues due some person lacking serious respect, insulting and abusing the open source and it's spirit. But also issues have happen on other very interesting development. A AC3D blender importer, exporter script, blender animation exporter. Or just other WIP aircrafts the PAF is working on... It's fabulous how one could make a mess, in an almost untracable way if you don't follow the mess in live time. It's easy to mix up conversations in different posts to cross the comments to make the story in your favour and make it non understandable by creating "holes" into the discussions for those who didn't followed. A good example is this thread on the devlist which is finally split into different posts! There's one that is seriously skilled and have nice techniques! I take note of them. I'm not the one claiming proudly on the irc that it's about a 2 days homework to get some cheap and basic 3D aircraft exterior model. And claiming one more day for the uv and texture work. Nor i'm the one claiming to setup and model the bare 3D exterior aircraft model and put some essential, but non-relevant and generic, instruments and let the other finish the aircraft! It has been proudly said multiple times. And i really trust these words. Nor i'm the one who create flame ware topic like "The aircraft of helijah are all empty" [2]. Any realist FG contributor know that even the research of instruments, systems, flight characteristics would have already take more as these 3 day of homework... It's in no way meaning that these contributors who almost finished the work should take the ownership (and they still didn't do). Nor that the "initial author" of the finish-my-aircraft-model spirit should take all ownership of that work. Nor that one might be the dictator or the only one that approve. Both parts needs to understand, and respect the work of each other! One person still seems to fail hard to understand that it's all about collaboration work. Work achieved by a group of peoples and not only the initial author should be credited and have the last word on it. Please, fall of your cloud. The final result wouldn't be what it is without the help of others, thanks too... It's bad to see some person shooting with virtual bullets in all possible corners, killing motivation of enthousiast. Being arrogant with some touch of lack of respect. It's bad to see some person making a mess when the DC-3 contributors want to give JSBSim a go. And that in the spirit to make it as realistic as possible to improve the quality of the aircraft and in the same go, the whole FGFS project. Apparently, some fails to understand that if others improve your work, that make your own part of work/reputation and the FGFS project better. After all, the goal is to improve the whole FGFS project. I'm stil sure that it's a bad idea to continue to make trow-away aircrafts. To start working on stuff you already planned you wouldn't finish. Especially if there's some bad monopolist or dictator like spirit behind this all. Yes, i feel this so! And the different french forums aswell the official forum, devlist messages already proved this multiple time. There's work enough for te next coming 10 years! Each, new i-don't-plan-to-finish-aircraft just make the whole FGFS project less competitive to other simulators. It just hidden a bit more all other precious work made by other valuable contributors. But that's not the point here. It's really a shame that some contributor attack some young, real life unexperienced guys. And even then, the situation has been prove they are more patient, more mature... Kicking down with some touch of vulgarity. Even more when it's not really justified. Trowing all faults to his head... Or even to someone else which hasn't the same point of view. Real life experienced, older peoples are supposed to be an example. But i'm not going to try to brainwash someone, i will fail at that anyway. Nor do i plan to educate and teach good maners. After all it's all about logics and natural talents, or not. Look all the mess that hang all around. FGFS already lost very valuable and experienced devs. pffff... Bah, gona let it here on. Tired to re read deja-vu mess during 2 long evenings on forums and spending this evening to try to calm down and write this mess too. And just crossed finally some positive reaction now on the devlist. After all, the goal of Clement was just to point out the lack of will to communicate and the lack of respect. You know, each dev has plans and want to offer his package "when it's ready". Yet another big failure... Also, mind these serious GPL violations. One big concurrent could just easy make an end to the whole FGFS project! Some seems to have a serious lightweight point of view on these violations. I really support the PAF team. Who after all, where ways to much patient before banning some user. [1] http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com [2] http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t790-les-avions-de-helijah-sont-tous-vides Regards, Itchi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Virtualization & Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
