On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 21:32 +0100, Alasdair wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 09:39 -0600, syd adams wrote:
> > Im running Ubuntu , still get that problem.I've added the radar to my
> > intrumentation file in my affected aircraft , and the problem is
> > gone.Strange.
> > Syd
> > 
> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Alasdair <ali...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 01:06 +0200, ThorstenB wrote:
> > >> > On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Alasdair <ali...@btinternet.com> 
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >> After git pull (sg,fg,fgdata) a couple of days ago, I was presented 
> > >> >> with a
> > >> >> strange screen which I had not seen before. My regular was shown as a
> > >> >> sub-screen in the bottom-left corner. Clicking the maximise widget 
> > >> >> restores
> > >> >> full screen, but any click on a menu item returns me to this stupid 
> > >> >> screen.
> > >> >> Is this infuriating behaviour deliberate, or has my graphics driver 
> > >> >> gone
> > >> >> walk-about?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15936159/fg_quarter-screen.png
> > >>
> > >> Unfortunately a long standing issue. This affects ATI graphics cards
> > >> when running newer drivers. It can be "fixed" by reverting to an older
> > >> ATI driver (see link below). To me it looked like a genuine OSG or ATI
> > >> driver bug (the size of the graphics view port doesn't properly resize
> > >> to the size of the window), but it's likely triggered by something
> > >> "special" we're doing in FG, since other applications don't seem to have
> > >> this issue.
> > >>
> > >> Also, it's timing-/sequence dependant: it only affects certain aircraft
> > >> (aircraft using wxradar, which changes/delays the OSG init sequence on
> > >> startup, are less likely to have the issue) - and for some people it
> > >> dis- and reappears with certain FG builds.
> > >>
> > >> It would be really good if someone seeing the issue locally could
> > >> properly debug this - even if it means digging into OSG - since a larger
> > >> number of people are affected. I tried "remote debugging" this a while
> > >> ago, but gave up after being unable to narrow it down inside FG. Maybe
> > >> someone else has better luck.
> > >>
> > >> For more see here:
> > >> http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=385
> > >>
> > >> cheers,
> > >> Thorsten
> > >>
> > > Thanks very much for the link, Thorsten, it is a good start. But strange
> > > that this problem, should just appear without any driver change. But I
> > > am using Debian SID, and update my system daily, so it could be
> > > OS-related.
> > > I will install UBUNTU and try the same build under  that OS.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Alasdair
> > >
> OK I tried building the same git version on Ubuntu (different gcc
> version) Same problem. Tried a complete fresh clone (sg/fg/fgdata) Same
> problem. Downloaded and built 2.8.0 and built with same script : NO
> problem. So this is a git problem and fairly recent too.
> 0-
> Most aircraft I have tested behave properly, but the ones that have this
> strange viewport problem include : c172p, b1900d, SenecaII.
> 
> The viewport changes immediately after the splash screen displays
> "initializing graphics engine".
> 
> Maybe someone can figure out what these have in common that the 707,
> 737-300, 777-200ER, A-10, A300, aerostar700, alphajet, b29, bf109g,
> Bravo, c310, Citation*, CRJ700ER, Cub and pa24-250-CIIB do not.
> 
> I cannot therefore attribute this problem to the Catalyst driver.
> My git pull/build of 12 Aug did not display this problem. That of 1 Sep
> did. So I reckon it must have been a commit made between these dates.
> 
> Alasdair
> 
Further research shows that for the b1900d & SenecaII, this problem goes
way back to 2.6.0. It has only become apparent (in my case) for the
c172p in recent git pulls. I will attempt to find exactly when, but I am
having to learn git as I go :-( Since the c172p is my aircraft of
choice, the problem has gone unnoticed up till now.

Thanks to all who are helping me resolve this issue.

Alasdair


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